Hey,
few stats:
Age: 21
Height: 5' 8"
Weight: 145-150lbs
Body Fat: 7% (calipers/BOE)

Anyway, i went ahead and read quite a bit of information over the last couple of months on pro hormones and really the age seems to be 21 for safety but is still 'cautioned'. What i am looking to see is should i see a doctor first or would i be alright beginning a cycle.

i think food, creatine, and alot of carbs will be better, dude you are only 150lbs...get to 175-180 at least, if you cant do it naturally youll always depend on phs to add size, plus carbs prewo will give you the same strength as that combo more or less

My diet is 3000-3500 calories, tried creatine/weightgainers and i meet my protein intake. Weight just isnt going up (3months). My strength has continued to increase and im cut, but im not seeing the size.

Im not arguing with you, but maybe that information might change your view a little, maybe not.

3months.....try longer 6months to 1 year, its not a race guy, its a marathon
a trick is drink gatorade in between meals, will all the cals from carbs you should add, something isnt right here

ill hold off on it for a while, the diet is the 3 month portion ive been in the gym 5 days a week for nearly 1.5 years now (started at 120). Diet was at 2500.

But if you could still provide any information regarding the age + ph (21) that would be really appreciated.

no definitive answer, phs would be best suited for when you have maximized your natural potential, if you are starting out pre-20yrs old,n are very consistant, maybe at 24/25yrs old you might feel your body has hit a 'plateau', n might look into something then.....in a nutshell, the earlier on you resort to anabolics, your 'natural potential' will most undoubtedly been harmed, hence from here on out you most likely will always need an anabolic to push forward, seeing you needed it so young when you could/would have done it with solid work and food. again not every case is the same
*another point...at 21 and you turn to anabolics to help, trust me youll find no other supplements will suffice anymore, you may be inclined to cycle on n off from here on out, you've popped your cherry so to speak.

x2.....I started with anabolics around age 22....Now I feel like I need them to get results no matter how good my diet and workout regimen is....Stay away for as long as you can

well bro, im 22, almost 23.... i began my first cycle 5 weeks ago with 1-t only and i really loved it.... these things are amazing, and really give you strenght, power and amazing gains....i also heard a lot of times about doing it the natural way, but i just got tired of the same song, sure i made an amazing body in a natural way, but still needed size... if nature didnt gave me the geneticts, f..k it i would try everything i could to get the body of my dreams so when i won 2 first places and a third place in a bodybuilding contest (only in a natural way) i felt amazing... but also got stressed cuz i wanted even more, a higher cathegory... i felt 2 skinny, people telling me "you got a great body but you are 2 skinny".... and well i finally did it. and ill do it again, im just waiting 10 weeks after this monday for my next cycle of something even stronger (maybe turinabol with androhard)....so im telling you; im..... lets say 1 year older than you and i did it, its my experience... i can tell you, i loved it, ill do it gain, and sure, im so sad that this monday will be the last shot of my 1-t cycle... you just get used to it... so heres my advice: if you still want to use em, use em, but be cautios, plan it and take your time... also, get the information of the proper PCT... and some educational about clomid and nolvadex... you could find very useful articles in this primordial perfomance site, just clic on "educational" ... and please, do not be dependant of these wonderful things.. you should use it responsible....as a warning im telling you, im so afraid of an addiction, and i hope afret 2 cycles more, my addiction stops for awhile... atleast i got my objective in mind and i hope when i get it i conformise with myself...
gains: i increased 50 libs on bench press and doing 8 repetitions in 1 set.... my arm got 3/4 to 1 inch bigger: it was 13 and now its 14... im alot more ripped, got six pack (always had it)... my veins are sooo visible (more than before) even below my abs... and i look soooo ripped and with more size...
you would be more amazed with strenght than with size... but the gains has very great quality, 1-t is amazing, i cant imagine stacked with AH... i would reccomend you 1-t to begin... around 4 to 6 weeks.... turinabol could be so strong, but its your choice... obviously if you use 1-t you couldnt use dermacrine because of DHEA... and well... be sure you got PCT in hand, and supplements while on cycle... (protein, aminoacids, multi, beta alanine is great 2)....

P.S: be honst to yourself... and ask if you realy think you hit your limits.... take care and good luck!

interesting, i thought i staed this earlier thanks needmass

oh, sorry, i was reading the question only... now we both stated about the adiction!, yeeeeyyyyyy congrats!!!! because 2 are better than 1 dont you think?.... and no problem 100percent"natural"

I started when I was 22 I think. A few cycles of M1T. I worked out natural for maybe a year consistently and got impatient when the gains weren't coming as rapidly. Cycling is definitely addictive, and the earlier in life you start it, the harder it is to use steroids in a disciplined matter (IMO). I know people who -only- work out when they are on a cycle of test and d-bol. When their cycle is over, they just quit working out!

That's an extreme example, but the fact is, a good steroid cycle will produce dramatic results in general, and it can be VERY hard to moderate your cycle frequency after seeing the sort of instant gratification that they can provide. It is very hard to go back to "natural" b/c it requires much greater patience and persistence than does steroid cycling. It's one of those "switches" that most people can't turn off once they turn it on.

With that said, you are a 21 year old adult now, so it's a decision for you to make. Just remember that all decisions have consequences, good and/or bad, so be prepared to take responsibility for your decisions.

I would be more inclined to try Dermacrine solo (or AndroHard) than something like Turinabol for someone who is 21 years old (though I am not suggesting that you start cycling now-I'm just providing information). Dermacrine and AH have less of an impact on the HPTA than Turinabol and they also don't have serious liver toxicity as a possible side effect.

Make sure your diet and supplementation and workout routine is on point too before you bother with steroids. People can usually grow fine without steroids just by increasing their calories. Don't be afraid of the carbs either if mass is what you want (with or without steroids).

OK, I can understand the "want" with regards to quick gains, strength etc.

When I started lifting/bodybuilding I was 23, 6' 155 lbs and 13% bf. Former soccer and hockey athlete through HS and college.

I didn't touch ANYTHING but FOOD, creatine, tons of multi-vitamins, fish oil, weight gainers, mrps, and protein powders. Shoot, I didn't even touch "pre-workout" drinks till about 2-years ago (super-dump was my first...ahhh...) I use to pound a grande red-eye (16oz coffee and a shot of espresso) before lifting.

My point:

I achieved 193 lbs and 7% bodyfat 2.5 years ago, before EVER touching a single PH/AAS. I am a comfortable 205-210 (yes I'm on a cycle now) now at around 8%.

So, think about this from a time perspective, you don't know what you can achieve naturally first...give it a whirl...stick with food, supps, and your own natural test production (which is insanely high at your age), till at least your late 20s.

I don't know, take it for what it's worth...I am a classic ecto and have busted my BALLS to get to a lean 200lbs through diet, plateau breaking, and natural supps.

TO be honest, PHs and AAS are great while on, but in the end the net gain is NOT that huge.

My 2 cents.

Be safe, be smart, remember you only have one liver.

Marathon's aren't races?

CTGears I understand that you wish to use steroids to build a "better" body, however if you can't gain weight now without the hormones, then trust me when you come off the steroids you are going to lose it all and perhaps more, it is not until you have found a way to gain weight naturally you can hope to maintain the gains after a steroid cycle - and trust me, losing gains in PCT really brings you down.

its not a sprint its a marathon

x1000

Are you doing a bodypart split? Try to increase calories any way you can, chocolate milk, anything.
Also, drop the body part split. Do a workout schedule similar to this:

A B A B A etc....
on Mon, Weds and Fri.
Focus completely on compound movements, drop the isolations.
Get the big 3 up there and you'll gain weight with enough calories.