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Opioid Modulation for Preventing AAS Induced HPTA Suppression.


By Eric M. Potratz (Email)

Eric M. Potratz has developed his education in the field of endocrinology and performance enhancement through years of research, counseling, and real world experience. Over the past five years he has been a private consultant for hundreds of athletes and bodybuilders alike, and is the founder & president of Primordial Performance.



Suppression of the HPTA (Hypothalamus, Pituitary, Testicular Axis) is seemingly unavoidable during a steroid cycle. What I will be presenting in this article is a new idea to the world of AAS users. This exciting new concept addresses the possibility of limiting and possibly preventing suppression of the (HPTA) during cycle. More specifically, I will show you how to actively modulate the hypothalamus & pituitary pulse generator during cycle and how this can prime our endocrine system for a quicker, smarter, and healthier recovery from anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS).

For a moment, let’s forget the concept of “post cycle therapy”, and embrace the idea of “on cycle therapy” – active therapy throughout a steroid cycle. The HPTA involves a constant biological interplay of responses and feedback loops that can ultimately become shutdown and degraded during AAS administration. However, research suggests suppression of the hypothalamus and pituitary may be preventable during steroid use. Before we delve into the details, lets first take a quick recap on the HTPA and how it responses to AAS.

HPTA – The basics


When the hypothalamus senses low hormone levels, it secretes gonandotropin releasing hormone (GnRH). This GnRH then travels a short distance to the nearby pituitary gland to stimulate the release of the gonadotrophins -- luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). These gonadotrophins travel all the way down to the testes, to activate their respective leydig and seritoli cells. LH initiates testosterone production by stimulating the leydig cell receptor (steroidogenesis), while FSH initiates sperm production by stimulating the sertoli cell receptor (spermatogenesis).

AAS’s inhibit hormone production just as your body’s own hormones do. Testosterone interacts with the androgen receptor (AR) and estrogen interacts with the estrogen receptor (ER). When these hormones are in high concentration, they cause the hypothalamus to decrease its release of GnRH, which decreases LH and FSH production from the pituitary. (1) This cuts off the signal to the testis and halts all hormone production. This process is a daily event for the rhythmic endocrine system. Spikes in LH & FSH are followed by spikes in testosterone, and spikes in testosterone result in a reduction of LH & FSH release until testosterone levels decline and LH & FSH is released again. The caveat with most steroids, is that hormone levels remain chronically high (24/7) and do not allow release of LH or FSH, thus leaving the pituitary and testis in a dormant state for as long as the steroids are administered.

While low-dose on-cycle hCG is a good protocol to mimic LH and keep the testes from atrophy, (discussed here) it won’t help prevent pituitary atrophy. We forget that the pituitary is susceptible to the same degradation and atrophy as the testes. That is, when the GnRH secretion from the hypothalamus stops (during a steroid cycle), the pituitary reduces its number of GnRH receptors and becomes less and less responsive to GnRH stimulation as time goes on. (11) This is analogous to atrophy of the testis, during absence of an LH or FSH signal. On the other hand, both the pituitary and testis will decrease receptor concentration during over stimulation as well, as its been found from too much hCG use or too much GnRH stimulation.(12,13) The point here, is that only minor stimulus is required for the preservation of sensitivity in the endocrine organs. Perhaps a completely neglected and suppressed pituitary (or testes) may explain the lack of full and prompt recovery for many steroid users, despite adherence to a “tried and true” PCT regimen. So the question is – How can we prevent suppression of the testes, and better yet, how can we prevent suppression of the pituitary?


A closer look –

There are several ways that steroids can inhibit LH & FSH release from the pituitary based on the receptors they occupy, and this is important to understand if you plan on blocking AAS induced suppression. For instance, it appears that AAS which bind strictly to the AR only inhibit LH & FSH release by suppressing GnRH release from the hypothalamus (ie Primobolan, Proviron, Anavar or Masteron). (34,37,39) However, AAS which possess estrogenic (ER) or progestogenic (PR) activity inhibit LH & FSH by directly down-regulating the GnRH receptors on the pituitary, while also reducing GnRH release from the hypothalamus. (35,38) Therefore, progestin based AAS such as trenbolone and nandrolone are “double suppressive” because they are binding to the AR and PR and suppressing LH & FSH by two different mechanisms. (36) The same can be said for steroids that aromatize, such as testosterone or methandrostenolone since they can activate both AR and ER receptors.

Evidence suggests that estradiol is about 200x more suppressive than testosterone on a molar basis (37), and that administration of Arimidex can greatly reduce testosterone’s suppression of LH release. (42) However, since progesterone based AAS’s such as nandrolone and trenbolone are inherently progestogenic based on their hormone structure, there is no way to prevent them from activating the PR. Therefore, it’s virtually pointless to try to block the suppression from progestin based anabolics. However, we can block suppression from the ER by using either non-aromatizing AAS’s or aromatase inhibitors. So this now leaves us with suppression of LH & FSH via the AR, but this suppression can be blocked, and that’s exactly what I’m going to show you.

When it comes to suppression of the hypothalamus, there is more than a simple on/off switch for the hypothalamus control center. Evidence suggests that there isn’t even a direct AR or ER receptor on GnRH secreting neurons. (2-6) Meaning, steroid hormones do not directly influence GnRH release from the hypothalamus, but actually communicate through an intermediary. (7)

It was well summarized here by A. J Tilbrook et al,

“It follows, that the actions of testicular steroids on GnRH neurons must be mediated via neuronal systems that are responsive to steroids and influence the activity of GnRH neurons.”


And again here by FJ Hayes et al,

“It was thus postulated that estrogen-receptive neurons were acting as intermediaries in the non-genomic regulation of GnRH by estrogen”


There is a network of neurogenic intermediaries in the hypothalamus governing GnRH release from steroid hormone influence. More specifically, it is the combined efforts of neuro-active peptides and catecholamines which send the message of “suppression” to the GnRH neurons once activated by steroid hormones. (16) These primary messengers are known as a group of neuro-active peptides called endogenous opioid peptides (EOP’s). (7,16) The EOP’s consist of the three main peptides -- b-endorphin, dynorphin, and enkephalins, which act upon their respective u-opioid, k-opioid, and s-opioid receptors. It appears that the most influential EOP in GnRH modulation is b-endorphin, acting upon the u-opioid receptor. (8-10) For this reason, b-endorphin will be the main focus of the article (although there are other minor intermediates involved.)

When steroid hormones reach the hypophysial portal, they activate the EOP’s, which suppress GnRH and consequently suppress LH & FSH. We know that steroid hormones must communicate with these opioid receptors in order for them to inhibit the release of GnRH from the GnRH neurons, since the GnRH neurons do not have their own AR or ER receptors. What’s most interesting here is that the suppression on GnRH neurons can actually be intercepted by a u-opioid receptor antagonist – such as naloxone, and the orally active congers naltrexone, and nalmefene.

This is accomplished by blocking the u-opioid receptor and preventing the inhibitory effects of b-endorphin upon the GnRH releasing neuron. It should be noted that this “antagonism” of suppression is not due to antagonism of the AR or ER itself, since u-opioid antagonists to not bind to hormone receptors. (15,32)

The effect of a u-opioid receptor antagonist on the HPTA is demonstrated here --


Essentially, a u-opioid antagonist such as naloxone takes the brakes off of GnRH release and allows pulses of GnRH to occur as if no steroid hormones are present. (17) Naloxone, and related u-opioid antagonists have consistently proven to block the suppressive effects of testosterone, DHT, and estrogen administration in both animals and humans. (18-25) It also appears that these drugs have the ability to increase pituitary sensitivity to GnRH. (26,27)

U-opioid antagonists have long been used for treatment of opioid dependence; not only to control cravings of narcotics, but to restore a suppressed endocrine system. (28,29) It’s well known that strong opioid based drugs such as methadone, cocaine, heroin and alcohol can suppress GnRH and therefore suppress LH & FSH. It seems that this decease of GnRH, LH & FSH is due to the same EOP mechanisms seen with AAS induced suppression. (33) In alcoholics, cocaine and heroin users, naltrexone and naloxone have been used to restore LH and testosterone levels. (28,29) Naltrexone has even been proposed as a treatment for male impotence and erectile dysfunction. (30,31)

Naloxone, naltrexone and nalmefene seem progressively more powerful in their potency to block b-endorphin, respectively. (14,18) Naloxone lacks oral bioavailability therefore injection is required. An injectable preparation could easily be made with BA water due to the water solubility of the compound. A 40mg subcutaneous injection would be a typical dose of naloxone. Naltrexone is orally active, with a safe and effective oral dose being about 100mg for a 220lb male. (18) While a lower dose of about 25-50mg of nalmefene would seemingly have the same benefit. (20,24) Increasing the dose of these drugs will surely increase the likelihood of side-effects without notably increasing the benefit. A twice a week dosing protocol would seem appropriate with these drugs, as only to increase GnRH and LH release enough to prevent pituitary and testicular shutdown – Just enough to keep them in the “ball game” so to speak. Also, a twice a week dosing protocol would most likely limit the increased opioid sensitivity induced by the long-term use of the drugs.

A word of caution: The opioid antagonists mentioned in this article are recognized as safe and non-toxic at the given dosages; however they can cause severe withdrawal symptoms in opiate users (methadone, morphine, cocaine, and heroin addicts.) Caution is also advised when using opioid antagonists prior to sedation or surgery as they can reduce effectiveness of anesthetics. Temporary nausea, headache or fatigue, are occasional side-effects associated with the use of these drugs. Naltrexone has been reported to heighten liver enzymes, while naloxone and nalmefene do not appear to have this issue. At any rate, a twice a week protocol for 4-16 weeks is unlikely to cause any liver issues that may be associated with naltrexone. Contrary to popular believe, opioid antagonists do NOT have any addictive properties.

A few point to consider -

For those who choose to embark on an opioid antagonist protocol several things should be considered.

Remember, progestin based anabolics such as trenbolone and nandrolone are “double suppressive” because they desensitize the pituitary directly by PR activation. It also appears that no opioid receptor antagonist or aromatase inhibitor can prevent suppression via the PR. Therefore, trenbolone or nandrolone are going to cause unavoidable inhibition of HTPA function by causing suppression via the ER, AR and PR. (40,41) If one hopes for a prompt and full recovery post cycle, perhaps progestin based anabolics are better avoided, or at least limited in duration of use.
As it was pointed out earlier in this article, estrogen has a markedly stronger effect on suppression of LH release compared to androgens since estrogen suppresses the hypothalamus and pituitary. Usage of an AI such as anastrozole, letrozole, or exemestane (Aromasin) can reduce estrogen and greatly reduce suppression on GnRH, LH and FSH release by preventing excessive ER activation in the hypothalamus and desensitization of the pituitary GnRH receptors. (35,37,38) Anastrozole has ~50% maximal total estrogen suppression at 1mg/day. Exemestane has ~50% maximal total estrogen suppression at 25mg/day. While letrozole has ~60% at 1mg/day. These are averages based on compiled data from several studies. Similar estrogen suppression can also been seen from only twice a week administration of these AI’s. (43-47)


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# 2 Old 08-12-2008

Very good write-up bro. Question...Do sublingual buprenorphine HCl / naloxone HCl tabs have enough bioavailability to exert the said effects? If so, at what dose? 12-16mg subingually puts me on my ass and couldn't imagine how much more a 40mg sub-q shot would feel like. Besides that, I have heard first hand that digestion of oral naloxone causes extreme naseau in some, any further thought here?

btw, using toco-8 now and will continue to use into PCT with sustain for the next 5 months. I feel like I'm eating cavear when I take it, lol. I noticed that the "new" version contains double the effective doseage. I have nearly two weeks in with my current batch but looks like there's not enough left in the tub for another 2 weeks yet, weird. I've been using 2 leveled (sometimes below level) scoops a day... Sorry for O/T...
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Very good write-up bro. Question...Do sublingual buprenorphine HCl / naloxone HCl tabs have enough bioavailability to exert the said effects? If so, at what dose? 12-16mg subingually puts me on my ass and couldn't imagine how much more a 40mg sub-q shot would feel like. Besides that, I have heard first hand that digestion of oral naloxone causes extreme naseau in some, any further thought here?

btw, using toco-8 now and will continue to use into PCT with sustain for the next 5 months. I feel like I'm eating cavear when I take it, lol. I noticed that the "new" version contains double the effective doseage. I have nearly two weeks in with my current batch but looks like there's not enough left in the tub for another 2 weeks yet, weird. I've been using 2 leveled (sometimes below level) scoops a day... Sorry for O/T...
I bet sublingual would be much better than oral, although I couldn’t give advice on the dose. Just keep in mind that it will be important to “shock the system” and really clear the opioid receptors for this therapy to be effective. It’s not a steady 24/7 blood level you trying to obtain here, it’s a blunt spike in opioid antagonism that you want… so don’t trickle your dose.

About the Toco…The dosing spoon can easily get packed too much, and give you a higher dose than you need. Try to fill the spoon and just shake off the excess till it is level (not packed).

FYI, there is research showing 7,8 benzoflavone is an opioid antagonist. It may be a worthy candidate for on-cycle avoidance of AAS suppression… but this has yet to be determined. I will be sure to update as I become further educated on the topic.

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I bet sublingual would be much better than oral, although I couldn’t give advice on the dose. Just keep in mind that it will be important to “shock the system” and really clear the opioid receptors for this therapy to be effective. It’s not a steady 24/7 blood level you trying to obtain here, it’s a blunt spike in opioid antagonism that you want… so don’t trickle your dose.

About the Toco…The dosing spoon can easily get packed too much, and give you a higher dose than you need. Try to fill the spoon and just shake off the excess till it is level (not packed).

FYI, there is research showing 7,8 benzoflavone is an opioid antagonist. It may be a worthy candidate for on-cycle avoidance of AAS suppression… but this has yet to be determined. I will be sure to update as I become further educated on the topic.

-Eric

Interesting, how much benzoflavone? Is the amount in sustain a large enough dose for what the positive research suggests?

I kinda figured that the toco powder might be packing weird. Just didn't want to underdose the product at all. Ill start going lighter on the cavear lol...
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Im not sure on the BZF dose yet. My guess is that it is at a high enough dose in Sustain Alpha, and this explains its effect at increasing testoterone without having a significant effect on lowering estrogen.

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# 6 Old 08-15-2008

Very informative article, Eric. I respect your knowledge. You should have this article posted on all steroid-related forums because there are bunch of dudes out there messing up HPTA function. Would you give me permission to link your article in other forums? Thanks man!
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Very informative article, Eric. I respect your knowledge. You should have this article posted on all steroid-related forums because there are bunch of dudes out there messing up HPTA function. Would you give me permission to link your article in other forums? Thanks man!
Yeah, and throw a link to our site too. ;-)

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Yeah, and throw a link to our site too. ;-)

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Can these drugs (naloxone, naltrexone or nalmefene) increase natural testosterone levels off cycle long term.
is it safe to use them off cycle?
how would you structure a PCT protocal now that you know you should not use nolva/clomid.
would you do something like:
0.25mg adrimidex every other day (during cycle) (maybe even some proviron for lowering SHBG)
100IU hcg every day (during cycle)
naltrexone 100mg twice a week (on/off cycle)
then cease steroid use and up dosage of adrimidex from 0.25mg every other day to daily or even 0.50mg



also could you just use LHRH? instead
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I also wonder what effect carbergoline/bromcriptine would have on PR if one wanted to use deca or tren.
And also what effect it would have on the testosterone axis in general.
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Can these drugs (naloxone, naltrexone or nalmefene) increase natural testosterone levels off cycle long term.
is it safe to use them off cycle?
how would you structure a PCT protocal now that you know you should not use nolva/clomid.
would you do something like:
0.25mg adrimidex every other day (during cycle) (maybe even some proviron for lowering SHBG)
100IU hcg every day (during cycle)
naltrexone 100mg twice a week (on/off cycle)
then cease steroid use and up dosage of adrimidex from 0.25mg every other day to daily or even 0.50mg



also could you just use LHRH? instead
I dont really recommend the opioids or proviron for PCT. For my recommendations please check out this thread -

http://www.primordialperformance.com...ct-thread.html

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I dont really recommend the opioids or proviron for PCT. For my recommendations please check out this thread -

http://www.primordialperformance.com...ct-thread.html

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i was not talking just purely PCT please answer my first question:
Can these drugs (naloxone, naltrexone or nalmefene) increase natural testosterone levels off cycle long term. (as per references 28,29,30,31)
is it safe to use them off cycle?

[reference 28]
Acute naltrexone administration did not alter T levels appreciably but was associated with a significant elevation in LH levels. After 22 days of chronic naltrexone maintenance, T levels were in the high normal range and LH levels were in the low normal range.


my other question too still needs to be answered:
also could you just use LHRH? instead, wouldn't this do the same thing.
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Aqua,

The opioid antagonists are for offsetting suppression not stimulating testosterone production per say. I wouldn’t recommend them for this purpose just considering their possible side-effects. (General discomfort)

LHRH would just cause desensitization at the pituitary.

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i was not talking just purely PCT please answer my first question:
Can these drugs (naloxone, naltrexone or nalmefene) increase natural testosterone levels off cycle long term. (as per references 28,29,30,31)
is it safe to use them off cycle?

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Acute naltrexone administration did not alter T levels appreciably but was associated with a significant elevation in LH levels. After 22 days of chronic naltrexone maintenance, T levels were in the high normal range and LH levels were in the low normal range.


my other question too still needs to be answered:
also could you just use LHRH? instead, wouldn't this do the same thing.
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Aqua,

The opioid antagonists are for offsetting suppression not stimulating testosterone production per say. I wouldn’t recommend them for this purpose just considering their possible side-effects. (General discomfort)

LHRH would just cause desensitization at the pituitary.

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Thank you for the reply Eric, much appreciated.
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LHRH would just cause desensitization at the pituitary.

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Eric i must correct you i have looked into this further and i suggest you look into it further aswell.

Here is exactly what an injection of LHRH will do:

Gonadotropin-releasing hormone 1 (GNRH1), also known as Luteinising-hormone releasing hormone (LHRH), is a peptide hormone responsible for the release of FSH and LH from the anterior pituitary. GNRH1 is synthesized and released by the hypothalamus.
At the pituitary, GNRH1 stimulates the synthesis and secretion of the gonadotropins follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH). These processes are controlled by the size and frequency of GNRH1 pulses, as well as by feedback from androgens and estrogens. Low requency GNRH1 pulses lead to FSH release, whereas high frequency GNRH1 pulses stimulate LH release.
There are differences in GNRH1 secretion between males and females. In males, GNRH1 is secreted in pulses at a constant frequency, but in females the frequency of the pulses varies during the menstrual cycle and there is a large surge of GNRH1 just before ovulation.
GNRH1 secretion is pulsatile in all vertebrates, and is necessary for correct reproductive function. Thus, a single hormone, GNRH1, controls a complex process of follicular growth, ovulation, and corpus luteum maintenance in the female, and spermatogenesis in the male.
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Eric i must correct you i have looked into this further and i suggest you look into it further aswell.

Here is exactly what an injection of LHRH will do:

Gonadotropin-releasing hormone 1 (GNRH1), also known as Luteinising-hormone releasing hormone (LHRH), is a peptide hormone responsible for the release of FSH and LH from the anterior pituitary. GNRH1 is synthesized and released by the hypothalamus.
At the pituitary, GNRH1 stimulates the synthesis and secretion of the gonadotropins follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH). These processes are controlled by the size and frequency of GNRH1 pulses, as well as by feedback from androgens and estrogens. Low requency GNRH1 pulses lead to FSH release, whereas high frequency GNRH1 pulses stimulate LH release.
There are differences in GNRH1 secretion between males and females. In males, GNRH1 is secreted in pulses at a constant frequency, but in females the frequency of the pulses varies during the menstrual cycle and there is a large surge of GNRH1 just before ovulation.
GNRH1 secretion is pulsatile in all vertebrates, and is necessary for correct reproductive function. Thus, a single hormone, GNRH1, controls a complex process of follicular growth, ovulation, and corpus luteum maintenance in the female, and spermatogenesis in the male.

That info is accurate, but if you "continually use" LHRH it will desensitize your pituitary. You simply wouldn’t be able to accurately reproduce the rhythmic natural release. This is exactly how researchers will create a clamp at the level of the pituitary, and stop LH & FSH release. (or use a GnRH agonist)

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That info is accurate, but if you "continually use" LHRH it will desensitize your pituitary. You simply wouldn’t be able to accurately reproduce the rhythmic natural release. This is exactly how researchers will create a clamp at the level of the pituitary, and stop LH & FSH release. (or use a GnRH agonist)

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So the use of naltrexone wont cause desensitization at the pituitary?
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So the use of naltrexone wont cause desensitization at the pituitary?
Not in the dosing protocol I advise.

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Do opioid agonists do anything to natural test levels?
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# 19 Old 11-17-2009

so with your dosing protocol would you start on the first day of the aas cycle and when would you discontinue use?
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Do opioid agonists do anything to natural test levels?
Like while not on cycle? Maybe... but probably not worth the price or side-effects that you may incur.

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