I have never been a heavy drinker but I do like the occasional toke. I was just curious as to all of your opinions on the use of Marijuana on cycle? And just its use in general?

Drugs are bad.... mkay.

First, marijuana is highly estrogenic. Marijuana causes apathy, and most people get the junk-food munchies.

I definitely wouldn't use it on cycle.

In general, that's up to you; but it certainly wouldn't help you in any way that's realted to your general health/bodybuilding.

This is going to be a highly opinionated question. I say smokem' if you gotem'. Marijuana can cause an increase in appetite (just force yourself to stay on your macro plan), relaxation to combat soreness.


Its up to you, just stay responsible.

Combats aggression which is often experienced on cycle haha.

[QUOTE=warrior;42091]Drugs are bad.... mkay.

hahah you sound like mr.mackey

im in week 5 on turinabol lv. i just quit my heavy pot habit about a week ago. imo, pot must have slowed tbols conversion, because i wasnt seeing much from 90mg(60/60/90/90/120/120). as soon as i quit and bumped up to 120mg.....DAYUM. i just blew up, but now its the end of the cylce..so woopty-do. on inject cycles, it never bothered me. atually helped me sleep better, and easily force in extra food. so here is just an anecdote in relation to pot/tbol-lv. ive never experienced any estro increase from it as far as i could tell. actually, it could be argued that pot is "anabolic". in that, it mellows you out(possibly reducing cortisol), and increasing appetite.

i used to smoke alot, when i was a bit younger, i had killer munchies at night so id kill multiple trios, ect.......its what made me big actually lol, this guy at my gym used to bug me "whatever you take its your body man, i feel sorry for you", he thought i was saucing, then my bud would chime in "fkn no, unless mcds is juice" (this was before i had cycled anything however, i have smoked on occasion when 'on', however only a J here n there, mainly because of the munchies thing, its never been detrimental i find)

i personally think marijuana has a bad rap, its used for medicinal purposes, has no side effects cept drowsiness n hunger, you cant overdose, you cant die from it, and most importantly is non-addictive(contrarly to all other classA,B,C drugs....1=3smokes, I used to smoke 1/day, not a pack of cigs like some people....its only illegal because of the tobacco and drug industries forced it upon the govt in 1929 in the US....explain how its a classB drug and all the date rape stuff like ghb n ex is classC (w anabolic steroids), even ritalin is in the same class as pot yet in my personal opinion (im a child psych mind you), is far worse as drugs go, long term use can lead to an array of psychotic problems (one of the reasons its frowned upon now, without mentioning short term issues which are bad as well)

I assure you it's estrogenic, and in no way is marijuana "anabolic".
T-bol doesn't kick in until about half way through the cycle, so this may be why you noticed a difference; and seeing that you're using 120 mg, that could have something to do with it too.

BTW 120 mg is a little high IMO, unless you weigh 300 lbs.

i personally saw huge diff in wk 3, n more so in wk 4 when i went from 60mg to 90mg, i couldnt do more tho, lethargy, n my liver would cry out

Yeah, that's what most people notice too. I think 90mg is the highest anybody should dose T-bol at.

in my youth i used it all the time. It really served no purpose but to put me in that veggie state where all i wanted to do is eat junk and drink mt dew. It actually would not be a good thing to do when working out, nor is it even legal.

The heart rate, normally 70 to 80 beats per minute, may increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute or, in some cases, even double. This effect can be greater if other drugs are taken with marijuana.

As THC enters the brain, it causes a user to feel euphoric - or "high" - by acting in the brain's reward system, areas of the brain that respond to stimuli such as food and drink as well as most drugs of abuse. THC activates the reward system in the same way that nearly all drugs of abuse do, by stimulating brain cells to release the chemical dopamine.

As a chemical messenger, dopamine is similar to adrenaline. Dopamine affects brain processes that control movement, emotional response, and ability to experience pleasure and pain.

So if you where in pain because you over did it, you may not even know it until after the fact. In which case could be too late. If you are serious about W.O. it would not be advisable.

robert

ya well, we're past half-way dude. mid-week 5 it kicked in. estro?...guess it does have this effect in my body. anabolic....of course it isnt, hence the "qoutation marks". didnt mean it literally. 120mg....im not "feeling"any side effects. so, IMO, 120mg is acceptable for someone under 300lbs.

Most of the time with liver sides, you don't necessarily "feel" them until the danger is imminent. Be careful with that dosage.

although there are signs and symptoms with liver stress. this isnt my first rodeo.
btw, just to get you guys a bit more riled up, the first 3 weeks i was stackinn this with superdrone @ 10mg.

ahhhhhhh man lol, i wont touch sd solo, im a bit of a wuss tho, i feel all the sides all the time, tbol wasnt 'light' for me lol, fkn animal, i hope the gains outweighed the possible damage it might of done, whats your pct look like?

No offense, this may not be your first "rodeo", but are you sure you're not high right now??? (1. You took T-bol alongside S-drol (2. You're running T-bol for 6 weeks. (3. You're running it a dosage that someone who's 300 lbs. would run it at. The fact that you didn't notice anything until week 5 while stacking the 2 strongest DS's on the market, throws up a red flag to me: not to worry you, but your liver may be in trouble now. Seriously.

haha..no im not high. i actually blew up in week three. as soon as i stopped the SD i lost the water/glyco load. went up bout 8 lbs while cutting. now that tbol kicked in, im still up 10lbs, while cutting. probably lost bout 10lbs fat...so i guess that would be called a recomp. ill try to post pics. imo, the toxicity of these is on an individual basis. i guarantee i have some degree of liver stress. thanks warrior, but no, im not worried. concerned ...yes. ill get blood test in a week.

all true.

Just ask yourself WWAD.

Look at my avatar for the answer.

If marijuana were -that- estrogenic, you would expect to see a lot more cases of gynecomastia in long term recreational users, but this isn't a common occurrence. Alcohol OTOH is commonly associated with gynecomastia and hormonal perturbations with long term abuse (as in alcoholics versus weed-aholics).

A FOAF who is not me used to smoke all the time in college. Said FOAF was biggest and strongest when he smoked in fact (probably just coincidental-FOAF worked out and FOAF smoked a lot and also started cycling roids). My FOAF smoked a LOT, multiple times a day, probably an oz/wk. Just never before working out or my FOAF's muscles would feel like jelly. FOAF really doesn't think that MJ has a very detrimental effect on anabolism or excessive estrogenic activity that would make it a bad idea on a cycle. And depending on what you are running, a small amount of exogenous estrogenic activity might even be desirable. FOAF found cannabis most useful on cycle when trying to bulk and cram down absurd amounts of calories (like 5,000-6,000 kcal/day on some M1T cycles). FOAF also just liked to smoke cannabis for the hell of it at the time.

One of the biggest guys I ever knew in college (huge and strong as hell) used to work out and then go back home and smoke a blunt and eat a ton of food. I know this b/c (A) he told me, and (b) FOAF smoked with him regularly. He just got better gains that way he said, and his physique and strength were proof of that. He did maybe 1 cycle of test in college, but other than that, I don't think he used much in the way of steroids. I probably used as much or more steroids than he did at the time, and he and FOAF smoked similar amounts of herb.

Experientially, I just don't hear about people having any major estrogenic issues due to using cannabis. If it were very estrogenic, I would expect pot heads to be more emotional and girly and watch Sex in the City reruns (like a Clomid PCT), but most of the smokers that FOAF knew were nothing of the sort.

This is clearly a hotly debated area, but IMHO, MJ is not very detrimental to anabolism, esp. when using steroids at the equivalent of supraphysiological levels. And this applies to most steroids and cycles; if steroids only shut you down (test and LH) and didn't compensate for it with dramatically increased androgenic and anabolic activity, then there would be little reason to take them in the first place.

I guess everyone just has to decide for themselves. Healthwise, I think that cannabis is far safer than steroids (which aren't that dangerous themselves, though they can be whereas cannabis really cannot ever cause life-threatening toxicity). But with both of them, moderation and discipline is key.

FOAF doesn't smoke anymore, for years now, but that is a personal decision (to each his own).
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