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# 121 Old 03-01-2010

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let natural selection take its course?
Well, the most cost-effective treatment is always to let people die.

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Stickman--

What is your exact condition?
Which one? LOL.

I'd rather not get into it. Suffice to say that I have tried both doctor recommended supplements and pharmaceuticals. Only the latter have shown any efficacy.
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Bullshit. Let's hear your brilliant explanation of how antibiotics work. Oh, and by the way, they're a one-time (short course) treatment.

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Antibiotics are training courses for bacteria. Eventually, they become adapted to it and then you have the situation now with the new drug resistant strains. Antibiotics are a band-aid and nothing more.
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I believe in robust clinical evidence, and until I see robust clinical evidence, all claims that some agent (be it a medication or a supplement) is a "magic bullet" is crap. As I've pointed out, there are some medications which turned out to be crap. There are others which have turned out to be far more efficacious that ever imagined.

The fact is that there is overwhelming solid clinical evidence that a wide variety of pharmaceutical products are very effective at treating disease states. If you want to claim that supplements are as effective or superior, show me the large-scale studies with the clinical endpoints which prove it. The excuse that "there's no money in such studies" is horseshit... that doesn't support your position one iota.


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Sticking too closely to clinical evidence is just as blind as relying on folk medicine. The human body is not a machine, therefore it cannot be treated as one. No one knows why a body repairs itself. Plenty of people know how, but no one knows why. To say it's just basic survival is not true because that is not the most basic reason. Medicine cannot answer that question because they have a mechanistic view of the human body. The reason that the human body heals itself is love. The body loves itself. It's as simple as that and as mysterious. When medicine can wrap their collective mind around that concept, then we will stop having this argument.

In the future, when it will be self evident that love is the fundamental energy that heals the body, a machine will be invented that magnifies the love energy in the human body. It will be used both for healing and for preventative care.
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ok... someone has pot and they arent sharing.
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Antibiotics are training courses for bacteria. Eventually, they become adapted to it and then you have the situation now with the new drug resistant strains. Antibiotics are a band-aid and nothing more.
They're not a band-aid if they kill the bacteria causing the infection. Certain bacteria may become resistant to antibiotics over time, e.g. MRSA, so you develop newer antibiotics. It's a "cat and mouse" game.

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In the future, when it will be self evident that love is the fundamental energy that heals the body, a machine will be invented that magnifies the love energy in the human body.
Wasn't that called the Orgasmatron in Woody Allen's 1973 movie "Sleeper?"

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In the future, when it will be self evident that love is the fundamental energy that heals the body, a machine will be invented that magnifies the love energy in the human body. It will be used both for healing and for preventative care.
Vibrators have been around for some time now, but they are generally intended for female use.
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DocDan--

I don't "treat" people, correct, but I can teach them how to treat themselves since, fortunately, knowledge is still free in this country. The treatments that I recommend are originated by doctors that use them regularly on patients. Either way, even if I did go through the trouble to get a license, it'd be revoked anyway since I wouldn't be towing the party line.

Regarding antibiotics--try giving your patients the natural option of Royal Oil of Oregano, 5 drops under the tongue for 30 seconds, then swallow while also throwing them on Jarrow EPS or Dr. Ohirra's (or better yet, teach them how to make their own kefir) to keep their intestinal flora up. That's a catch-all way to decimate just about any bacterial infection.

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Thousands of years of usages by various cultures in the world will always trump small-scale clinical trials in my personal opinion.

stickman3--

I understand, though, I wouldn't be providing just supplemental information. The supplement information is fairly fraudulent by large, the main problem being the amounts used in each capsule (often not therapeutic), and bioavailability (Magnesium Oratate is a bit more expensive and bioavailabile, Magnesium Oxide is cheap a laxative with no bioavailability at all, though Magnesium Oil trumps any oral route, as an example).

As for dirk, RIFE generators have been around for quite some time, but that relies on finding (if memory serves me right) the correct "vibration" of a virus/bacteria, etc., and then hitting your body with that sound vibration to eliminate it. You can google RIFE generators if interested, kinda neat stuff.

Myeloproliferative Disorder

Treatment

This from my friend who's treated the disorder at Dr. Whitaker's...

Myeloproliferative disorder is another name of Polycythemia vera. Often caused by root canals and bone implants.

I would do the following: Remove the offending implant (titanium, mercury, whatever is there).

2nd would kill off the H. Pylori bacterium which is part of the problem. This is achieved with sulforaphane (an extract from Broccoli with a load of health benefits).

3rd, would give the patient nattokinase and krill oil (instead of aspirin) to keep the blood thin.

4th, would have the patient have a phlebotomy (donate blood regularly)

5th, would give the patient OSR if indicated (a safe and potent mercury chelator).

6th, would use bio-identical hormones to balance out the histamine problems.
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Regarding antibiotics--try giving your patients the natural option of Royal Oil of Oregano, 5 drops under the tongue for 30 seconds, then swallow while also throwing them on Jarrow EPS or Dr. Ohirra's (or better yet, teach them how to make their own kefir) to keep their intestinal flora up. That's a catch-all way to decimate just about any bacterial infection.
Yeah, I bet that will work real well on a septic patient in the ICU.

I note you conveniently didn't address this issue that I posted earlier:

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Tell us, is it in your financial interest to sell your "HairGen" product as a "one-time treatment?" Or do you have to keep using it chronically, and if you don't, you'll start losing your hair again?
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Yeah, I bet that will work real well on a septic patient in the ICU.

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Never said it would, in Whitaker's, they use IVs of natural substances for such treatments.

Also regarding HairGen--if I could develop something that'd cure MPB after one usage, then why not? I ain't running a corporation, nor am I greedy. Unfortunately, it does just go for the symptoms rather than the root cause. The supplement line I'm developing with a few others is moreso for addressing the internal environment, and to counter the effects and inflammation associated with the Western diet that leads to insulin sensitivity, inflammation, etc. I don't really need to say that it's pretty difficult to live a straight-edge organic/grass-fed meat lifestyle.
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For anyone interested in learning about Orthmolecular Medicine, here is a good starting point to get you introduced to the practice:

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Never said it would, in Whitaker's, they use IVs of natural substances for such treatments.

Also regarding HairGen--if I could develop something that'd cure MPB after one usage, then why not? I ain't running a corporation, nor am I greedy. Unfortunately, it does just go for the symptoms rather than the root cause. The supplement line I'm developing with a few others is moreso for addressing the internal environment, and to counter the effects and inflammation associated with the Western diet that leads to insulin sensitivity, inflammation, etc. I don't really need to say that it's pretty difficult to live a straight-edge organic/grass-fed meat lifestyle.
Both you guys make a good point.
When I can I like to stick with the natural approach to healing.
The times I have been really sick, with a bad infection, strong antibiotics are the only thing that has worked to clear the infection up for me.
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Never said it would, in Whitaker's, they use IVs of natural substances for such treatments.

Also regarding HairGen--if I could develop something that'd cure MPB after one usage, then why not? I ain't running a corporation, nor am I greedy. Unfortunately, it does just go for the symptoms rather than the root cause. The supplement line I'm developing with a few others is moreso for addressing the internal environment, and to counter the effects and inflammation associated with the Western diet that leads to insulin sensitivity, inflammation, etc. I don't really need to say that it's pretty difficult to live a straight-edge organic/grass-fed meat lifestyle.
I bet those supplements you're developing also have to be taken chronically. In other words, your business model is no different than the pharmaceutical companies and the other supplement companies.

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I bet those supplements you're developing also have to be taken chronically. In other words, your business model is no different than the pharmaceutical companies and the other supplement companies.

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The purpose of the supplements are to reverse and stave off the damage that comes from eating "civilized" food. I'm not providing multivitamins or minerals to "supplement" what's lacking in our diets. I don't feel that they'd have to be taken chronically if people were eating and treating their bodies as they should be; but that's just not realistic in today's world for the majority of people. I like pizza, you like pizza, we're not going to stop eating it. Folks have been taking these particular supplements on ImmortalHair.org for some time, and if you were to visit the forum and ask some questions, I think you'd be surprised by the amount of knowledge and good results that folks have gotten. We're simply taking these supplements, bundling them all under one umbrella, giving the therapeutic quantities, and trying to save these folks money in the process by keeping the costs low.

The difference between taking these chronically vs. meds is that you actually get healthier as a result. It's a preventative model, with some curative aspects. An antibiotic may kill the bacteria that is affecting your body, however, it doesn't discriminate--it kills them all. There's no such thing really as a "good" or "bad" bacteria, it's just that when people have too much of the "bad" and too little of the "good" then therein lies the problem. Pasteurization has made it very difficult for folks to obtain the bacteria that they need to maintain this homeostasis. Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent...
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There's no such thing really as a "good" or "bad" bacteria...
So these don't qualify as bad bacteria or are they the exception to the rule?:

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Clostridium botulinum is a Gram-positive, rod shaped bacterium that produces the neurotoxin botulin, which causes flaccid muscular paralysis seen in botulism, and is also the main paralytic agent in botox. It is an anaerobic spore-former, which produces oval, subterminal endospores and is commonly found in soil.
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Tetanus is an infectious disease caused by contamination of wounds from bacteria that live in the soil. The causative bacterium Clostridium tetani is a hardy organism capable of living many years in the soil in a form called a spore.

Tetanus occurs when a wound becomes contaminated with bacterial spores. Infection follows when spores become activated and develop into gram-positive bacteria that multiply and produce a very powerful toxin (poison) that affects the muscles. Tetanus spores are found throughout the environment, usually in soil, dust, and animal waste. The usual locations for the bacteria to enter your body are puncture wounds, such as those caused by rusty nails, splinters, or insect bites. Burns, any break in the skin, and IV drug access sites are also potential entryways for the bacteria Tetanus is acquired through contact with environment; it is not transmitted from person to person.
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Anthrax is an acute infectious disease caused by the spore-forming bacterium Bacillus anthracis. Anthrax most commonly occurs in wild and domestic mammalian species (cattle, sheep, goats, camels, antelopes, and other herbivores), but it can also occur in humans when they are exposed to infected animals or to tissue from infected animals or when anthrax spores are used as a bioterrorist weapon.

Cutaneous: Most (about 95%) anthrax infections occur when the bacterium enters a cut or abrasion on the skin, such as when handling contaminated wool, hides, leather or hair products (especially goat hair) of infected animals...About 20% of untreated cases of cutaneous anthrax will result in death. Deaths are rare with appropriate antimicrobial therapy [<1%].
I can only speak for myself, but if I get a cutaneous Anthrax infection, I am heading straight for the Cipro, "good" bacteria and intestinal flora be damned.
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I can only speak for myself, but if I get a cutaneous Anthrax infection, I am heading straight for the Cipro, "good" bacteria and intestinal flora be damned.
Maybe if you rub in oil of oregano REALLY hard, it will cure it. LOL.

I can't wait to hear what "naturopathic magic" successfully eradicates Mycobacterium tuberculosis or VRE.

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FOR ANYONE WANTING TO PROTEST THIS BS BILL, HERE IS A SITE THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO FINE YOUR SENATORS FOR YOUR OWN STATE. THEY ALSO HAVE A PRE-DESIGNED LETTER STATING THE PERFECT OPPOSITION TO THIS EFFING BILL! HERE IS THE ADDRESS!!!

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FOR ANYONE WANTING TO PROTEST THIS BS BILL, HERE IS A SITE THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO FINE YOUR SENATORS FOR YOUR OWN STATE. THEY ALSO HAVE A PRE-DESIGNED LETTER STATING THE PERFECT OPPOSITION TO THIS EFFING BILL! HERE IS THE ADDRESS!!!

Save DSHEA! Citizens For Health

PLEASE DO THIS GUYS!!
Is there any site where we can petition to have McCain taxidermied and put into storage at the Smithsonian?

At least Teddy The Hutt finally boxed... took way too long IMO.

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# 140 Old 03-01-2010

maybe we can trade him back to vietnam... i bet we could get some tasty Pho in return.
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