Ok guys, I'm starting this thread for a little humor, curiosity and out of boredom. I wanna talk about hairloss. It seems that every post on here lately is in some way regarding hairloss; I think i even saw a hairloss question in the Iron Kitchen Forum. Personally, I could care or less. I'm not bald, but keep my hair on a 2 guard all over. Hair isn't important to me.; hell in high school for a joke I shaved my head right down the center to mimick the MPB of a teacher I hated.

Let's hear some opinions, and why you feel that way:

(A. Is your hair important to you, maybe you feel the need to fluff it or use the blowdryer, and maybe you have 47 different types of gels, mooses, spritz's, etc. that you use every morning while staring in the mirror doing the finger pistol point thingy and winking?

(B. Do you not care if you're as bald as Stone Cold, or if the light reflecting off your head causes people to look away in anguish? It's your baldness and you earned it...right guys?

I don't really care about my hair in the sense that I'm afraid of going bald. I buzz all my hair off anyways. The only reason it would concern me is that if it's making me lose my hair, what else is it doing to me? Hair loss is a common side effect of many drugs, not just anabolics, and just about every effect except the intended purpose is unwanted. So, just like shrinking testicles from Deca, going blind from Viagra, or anal leakage from who knows what, I think hair loss is just a concern because it makes you worry that what you're taking may be doing something bad to your body.

Hair is highly overrated. I have a "low regulation" cut; it's trivial to take care of, doesn't get all sweaty, and makes me look like one mean mofo.

That's why I get a chuckle from all these hair restoration products. If you're worried about growing something, I'll take muscle over hair any day.

- Dan

I dont know fellas I like my hair for some reason...the only thing holding me back from all the great DHT ds/ph is hair loss...Why does it have to be head hair hair instead of back hair (which i do not have)???? I guess I am just going to have to get injectable ds with no DHT converson..Any suggestions?

When I was younger and started lossing my hair, I stressed something bad! I bought anything on the market that claimed it could stop hairloss and restore lost hair! I had vibrating brushes and special hair shampoo's. I tried minoxidil and anything else I could get my hands on! Hell,....i'd even sleep with bricks under the feet of my bed so that as I slept, blood would be pushed to my head to help with circulation, or so I thought. Talk about desperation. So I just started giving myself buzz cuts and then started getting compliments on how good I looked. I've probably saved thousands of dollars by cutting my own hair and it looks better I do have to add though that since I've been taking Toco 8 i've noticed that I have lots of "peach" fuzz growing back. So if it all grows back then thats cool but if it doesnt then no big deal at all. I think its cool that I dont have to mess with hair gels, blow dryers etc. I wake up in the morning and scratch my head and thats all that I need to do to comb my hair lol

Do you know if you are susceptible to hairloss? If you are not sure, then I would go ahead and try, maybe androhard with dermacrine or androhard with 1T or androhard by itself and just slowly ramp up dosage. Take the Toco-8 along with it. If you see some increased shedding then just end the cycle. You wont lose enough hair to worry about.

Good advice but not good advice mrsomm...I know these products rise DHT to outrageous levels wich are murder on my hair line. YES, I am prone to hair loss; I lost hair when I was on 5 weeks of dermacrine. I am thinking like tren or someting better that I am going to have to inject so that it is non toxic on the liver.

Hair, oh hair, where art thou? I REALLY wish I didn't care about hair, but it is actually a VERY big deal. I am unfortunately not blessed with the greatest of aesthetics, nor skin tone. One of the few things that women have always liked about my aesthetics have been my hair & eyes and that's it. Luckily my eyes are likely going to stay dark blue for years to come, but with each passing day, my hairline is receding further back and more hairs are appearing on my gold pillow. It was bad enough that I had to start sprouting grey hairs at seventeen, but to begin losing hair the same year... Are you kidding?! It's just one of those things I guess. If I was naturally more tan, better looking and didn't have such big ears, then I'm sure I wouldn't mind, but I'd definitely say that you have to have certain aesthetics to pull-off a shaved head.

The question has also been asked in women's magazines like Cosmopolitan all the time. "Do you like men that are completely bald or have shaved heads?" It's a pretty resounding discrepency there. It was more than 80/20 ratio of, "Nay to Yay." Not to mention that they've also shown that it's a lot harder to advance in the business world when you're hairloss. Now have all of these things that I've seen and read been myths perpetuated from pharmaceutical companies trying to peddle Rogaine, Avodart, Propecia and the likes? Or is there some validity to the things which I've presented? Unfortunately for some of us, we are single and need all the help we can get out there in the "big & bad" dating world. Having a nice horseshoe on your head of missing hair isn't exactly creating the best image for dating!

Regardless of whether the parent hormone of the respective steroid is testosterone, DHEA, DHT, Progesterone or Cortisol, they all can and likely will (if you're naturally susceptible) cause hairloss. It's an unfortunate beast that you'll either have to learn to accept or just avoid anabolics altogether.

Hair Loss is my primary profession, and it should be viewed as an autoimmune disorder. Not because I "say so" but due to a good deal of scientific evidence. that we've combed through the past few years. This sorta stuff is discussed in great length at ImmortalHair.org and WorldHairLoss.org.

Anywho, the safest way to reduce DHT that we've come across is via the little-spoken of weed "Epilobium". It also has powerful anti-inflammatory properties and COX-2 inhibition, both of which are great boons to keeping healthy hair on top of the 5-ar reduction that comes with this herb. One thing of note is that it hasn't exhibited any sides, and in fact seems to INCREASE libido in my experience and others. I purchase from Epilobium.com BPH Symptom Relief, the product's an all-organic one, they even use bat guano for their fertilizer and everything's hydroponic (spoke with the guy on the phone the other day so it's pretty fresh in my mind).

Omega-3s are also real important, and I personally use Neptune Krill Oil. There have been some great studies done by Neptune Biotech on their Krill Oil, and the natural phospholipid content greatly increases your cell uptake of the omega-3s found in a capsule. 500mg of NKO could be worth a few grams of Fish Oil, sans any potential for heavy metals and other forms of contamination. It also has a shelf life of roughly 3 years from production.

Iodine...Iodine, Iodine, Iodine. So cheap, so effective, yet so overlooked. Assuming that you do not have ADRENAL FATIGUE (in which case Iodine may work against you), then Iodine supplementation is a must for just about everyone. The RDA falsely suggest .125mg a day, yet research has shown that 12.5mg a day or more would be optimal. Your thyroid needs roughly 100x the amount of Iodine that it actually needs to function optimally before it will disseminate the remaining Iodine to the rest of your body (and guess what? Every cell in your body needs Iodine to function optimally!). Prior to the replacement of Iodine with I believe Bromide in our bread, folks were getting roughly a milligram of Iodine a day. This replacement occurred in I believe the 60s, and thyroid problems began to greatly increase in the following decades. Iodine is not only anti-fungal, anti-parasitical, and anti-bacterial/microbial, it's also phenomenal at displacing estrogen...anti-aromatase. So with all that and the added benefit of a healthy thryoid to provide what your body needs in terms of hormones, Iodine is virtually a must to supplement on unless you live in Japan and eat tons of seaweed and fish! I use Iosol from iHerb.com, 7 drops in the morning and if I feel like it 7 at night.

List goes on, but fact of the matter is--you CAN safely use anabolics with a hair loss predisposition, but it would require proper supplementation and knowledge. Hope that helps a bit, or confuses...dunno.

One other thing to note--

Shaving your head bald doesn't work for a lot of people...some people just simply don't have the skulls for it. Guys that shave their heads and look good with it often have a little trouble understanding why other guys with a form of MPB have so much trouble with doing this. My friend, prior to his hair transplant and laser helmet over the years noticed the difference in how people treated him once his hair loss was visible...girls, even potential employers. He wasn't one of the folks that looked good with a shaved head or thinning hair.

We live in a society that's all about image, and that is the unfortunate, "bald" truth. :/

Given the choice though, I'd always choose muscle over hair, but make sure to keep up with your physique or you'll just wind up an out-of-shape bald guy.

Thanks for all the imput guys.

For all the guys on here that have been affected negatively from hairloss, I wanna say that I used to work with a guy who I knew for about 4 years; he had a full head of hair, and never once did I think that he would ever go bald. Well, we all went out one night, and ended up getting trashed, so we all crached at his place. The next morning I'm sitting there on his couch watching TV, and I see this bald guy walking across the other side of the room. I started asking myself "who is that guy"; I don't remember him, and then he speaks and I freaked out! My friend had a "non-surgical hair transplant". I'm not real familiar with everything about it, but he said that you could wear it to bed, in the shower/pool, comb it, etc; and it wouldn't come off. He also said that he had to get hair cuts every 6 weeks to keep everything looking good.
This is an option for you guys to look into.

LOL! "Non-surgical hair transplant". That's a toupee. Toupee's now a days are awesome. That's why you never see anyone with a toupee anymore. they're so good that you don't even know. They're glued or taped to the head and have to be removed and cleaned every 4 days to 2 weeks. And each toupee only lasts between 2-6 months at around $200 a piece. But you can shower and swim with them and even when wet they look like real hair. For anyone interested here's a link to the absolute best value and quality. The owner BA is a really great guy.

BA Hair Apparent

Yeah, but the one he had was weaved in somehow.

Yeah the hair is knotted or weaved into a very very very thin mesh grid that disappears against the skin when glued or taped on. Exactly the same stuff the hollywood celebs use. Just whatever you do never never ever go to hairclub for men if you want to get a toupee. You'll pay out the ass for a piece of junk. It's like $75 every 3 weeks for them to take off, clean and reattach your piece and cut your hair. Plus you have to pay membership fees and their pieces cost 3-4 times the amount of BA's and the quality is absolutely nowhere near as good. I have done a lot, and when I say a lot that's an understatement, of research about this stuff. I had very seriously considered getting a piece but my hair never receeded to the point where I needed one. I just look stupid with a shaved head. My head is all pointy with scars and knots all over it.

That makes sense. Usually hairloss isn't indicitive of disease(besides hypothyroidism) to my knowledge, but I see where you're coming from.

Dan, I'm not arguing with you, but if I understand you correctly you're saying hairloss is an autoimmune/inflammatory condition? I'm just going off of what I've seen and learned throughout my life; but if this is so then why don't women lose their hair if it's due to inflammation; or why don't people who have other inflammatory/autoimmune conditions have hairloss? There are a lot of men who follow anti-inflammatory diets, and lifestyle, but are bald. I'm just a little confused....that's all.

I don't know of any diseases besides hypothyroidism either, but... I do know that various drugs cause hair loss. Look at chemo. You lose your hair because it's destroying the cells in your body. I have a couple of buddies who were exposed to a chemical weapons dump in Iraq that was on fire. Their hair falls out in clumps. In fact, they're losing body hair as well. Makes you worry what else is going on inside of your body on a molecular level.

I'm not prone to MPB but my friend is. He buys topical finasteride at costco for about $20 for a 6 month supply. not too bad. some sources say to combine it with Nizoral for better results.

If I did have MPB in my family, however, I probably would be on a few different topicals just to make sure I didn't lose hair.