thanks again lou. none of my other supps, whey or carb complex, have any creatine @ all so it's all good there. So they are both suppressive well in that case i guess i'll go with the stronger 1t tren. what about blood pressure issues with the tren ? mine normally runs high without help but it's not terrible. 130's over 80's. i do have the unleashed and post cycle so i can continue those throughout the cycle and after. the unleashed will realease my bound test and stimulate lh and the post cycle has anti-e's, liver detox's and test stimulators. so i should be covered on all bases. what do ya'll think ?

My BP runs low, and it wasn't a problem when I was on 1-T. Note that while both 1-T and 1-T Tren are suppressive, the 1-T Tren is likely more suppressive than the 1-T. For BP I think people suggest Hawthorn Berry, about 1g/day in split doses.

Lou

I run low too; Hawthorn berry, or celery seed extract are good options.

cool. i haven't tried the hawthorne berry but i have some celery seed extract here at the house i bout for my AAS cycle w/ the d-bal,test just incase it got outta hand but it never really did 140's over 80's-90's. so i may not need it with the 1t. So what should i expect overall with the beta-alanine,creapure,cla,1t. i know everyone is diff. but in general ? i haven't used creatine i don't think EVER and i've never used beta-alanine or cla or 1t haha, so i have no clue what to expect. like i said my kcals are about4 4000 daily my protein hovers between 225-300g and my carbs are 500-600g fat 80-100 EEk! but anyway there it is and i train consistent without missing a beat i train my heavy big 3 lifts first on their consecutive days with no more than 8reps and i sculpt later in the workouts with 10-15rep exercises, also i do one on one off. i also do 30min on my off days on the stair stepper on lever 3-5. Hope that helps ya'll gimme some advice on this.

Without knowing your complete previous PH/AAS usage and how you responded, it's hard to guess. But I'd say 10-15lbs of maintained gains in a 6-week cycle are reasonable.

my previous ph/aas history is 1 cycle of aas te 250mg every 4days for 6-7wks and 20mg d-bal daily first 4wks. That is the only cycle i have ever ran and i gained about 15lbs but my strength was nasty but a GOOD nasty. LOL. like i said i want to gain quality over quantity. I have the quantity being 5'8 212-215. my strength is good but it's never enough as i'm sure all of you can contest too. I could bench 1,000lbs and not be happy ! i want to make mostly dry gains and if i do that, even if i don't loose any weight, i will appear slimmer by gaining the lean mass. I will run the cla,creapure,beta-alanine and 1t, all of which i have never used before in my life. I'm hoping this will give me what i am looking for. I hope this helped ya'll with the guesstimations, keep em coming. any critiques are welcome!

This is great stuff. I am glad you guys take the time to type out all the products you use and why. Thank you very much..... This link was what a lot of guys needed.

Just had a few questions before starting my 1-T cycle.

I used 1-AD back when I was in high school (4 Years ago) without a PCT and kept my gains for the most part (I know, bad idea). Just taking the basics right now: Whey, Creatine, NO-xplode.

1. My question is will the TRS be sufficient as a PCT for a 6-week cycle of 1-T? Could I get away with using 2 of the 3 products in the TRS?

2. Also I wanted to know if 1-T would be effective for a cutting cycle? I am trying to cut a little fat that I have gained in the past few months.

Thanks in advance for the help.

1. Yes the TRS is enough for a 6 week cycle. They all work synergistically to help release and amplify each others responses to release more natty test and attain homeostasis better. IMO use all 3 together.

2. Well 1-t will make you hold a little bit of water and increase your hunger also. 1- T TRen on the other hand has a thermogenic effect and give you a more vascular look. So, maybe 1-T Tren or 1-t stacked with an Epi clone for leaning out.

Ok good to know, Thanks for the help. Any suggestions for the epi-clone?

I have done CEL E-Stane and IBE Epistane both are good products.

Ok cool. Once again, thanks for the help.

no having the odd beer on the weekend how badly will that effect my cycle of 5pumps 1-t for 6 weeks, as with oral ph i know it will impact it severely, whats the conclusion on this?

It really shouldn't be any worse for you than beer when you're not on cycle. It would have normal effects of alcohol.....

.....bliss and happiness....followed by stumbling, puking, and bad decisions.

Like, say...using Sustain Alpha as a manscaping aftershave?

how long last one bottle at 5 pump

Do I still need to get support supps(i.e. cycle support, hawthorne berry, taurine, liver support) if I get the HMS stack???

Also is it advisable to use Formestane on cycle while using 1-t Tren to prevent prolactin problems?

About 23 days.

Lou

I ran the HMS without any of that stuff and had no issues.

Formestane seems pretty popular. See Steve's post here. In fact, you can find a lot of comments about Formestane in that thread.

Lou

I have always used cycle support while on any PH, doesn't matter if it is topical or oral. Diet alone wreaks havoc on our internal organs along with extra stress placed by hormonals doesn't help. So, yes use some type of protection.

As far as formestane for prolactin no. Formestane is generally used for any gyno production.

Now, for prolactin protection, use L-tyrosine, P5P, Vitex, L-dopa, Powerfull, or any type of dopamine releaser.