That makes sense to me. So instead of the "Post-Cycle" stuff, should I just go with this TRS instead? It's a bit more than I wanted to pay though. But I wonder if that will still be enough for a full PCT.

BTW, no I don't work at GNC. Would be nice for the discounts though, lol.

Yes, use proper and proven PCT, whatever that means for you and your research is up to you, but I would go with PPs TRS as a minimum (that is actually what I will be doing)

That's good enough for me. I'll order the 1-T and TRS within the next few hours. Now I just need to wait for a response to my other thread in here. Wanna make sure it's safe to stack with my other products (Shock Therapy and Storm.)

Thanks for all the help!

I'm new to this 1T product, but I'm not new to the gym. I'm seriously considering using 1T. I'm wondering if I can get some help on how to properly cycle off this product upon completion of the cycle. I'm always interested in products that'll help me achieve great gains in the gym, but I'm not looking to get messed up by any crazy products either. If anyone can share some information on proper post cycle therapy, I'd appreciate it greatly. Thanks guys and stay safe in the gym!

There are multiple ways to go about this. The most basic would be to use one bottle of 1-T for four weeks followed with PCT of the Testosterone Recovery Stack. You can also run two bottles of 1-T back to back at a higher dose, total of six weeks on, followed with the TRS. You could also cycle Toco-8 and Sustain Alpha while on 1-T to help limit chances of hair loss and to help speed recovery once on PCT. At this point again the best PCT would be the TRS. Running Sustain while on 1-T requires different dosing than you would use while on PCT. Just let us know what you would like to run and we can lay out the proper dosage for you.

Yeah it would probably be good to save those sups for PCT so you have something to fall back on once you are done with 1-T.

Id at least throw Sustain in the PCT too.

-Pp

Smart choice... and yes this is safe.

-Eric

Eric,

Today is my 1st day of PCT after a 4 week epistane cycle. I'll be using Sustain Alpha, Toco-8 and Lean Xtreme (instead of EndoAmp) starting next week since I've got an old bottle I need to use and I'll be cutting until my 1-T cycle in a few months.

Here are my questions:
1) Is there any benefit to run a very low dose of clomid (25mg/day) for the first 1-2 weeks of PCT just to kick start test production? I have quite a bit of clomid on hand, so I feel like I might as well use a little bit if it will help me retain my gains.

2) I'm wondering if you have any thoughts on using Tongkat Ali with Sustain and Toco-8. I have a very good source for 1:50 extract, and I've run a couple standalone cycles @4g ED and also used it in PCT with good results. I believe some rodent studies showed a 400% increase in testosterone production at sufficiently high doses, and its supposed to have numerous other health benefits such as inducing apoptosis in breast cancer cells and causing cytoxicity to lung cancer cells. Its supposed to block negative feedback to the hypothalamus ultimately leading to increased LH secretion, although I am unsure of how it does this. So I'm wondering if it is doing this in a way that works outside of inhibition of the GABA/opiod receptor, could it have synergistic effect with Sustain Alpha at increasing LH secretion?

Just wanted to say thanks again for your great service and prompt response to my previous questions.

-bmj

The clomid would be fine for 2 weeks at that dose. I would use anymore than that.

The longjack isn’t a bad idea but it may be smarter to run this after the TRS so have something to fall back on. Plus, I’m not well educated on the exact mechanism of action for the longjack so without knowing I couldn’t say for sure if it would really have a synergistic or counterproductive effect with Sustain.

-Eric

OK sounds good, thanks!

Sup guys,

Back again.
I'm almost 2 weeks through my cycle. Been good so far.
However...

I'm trying to find some Nolva from a different website other than AG guys. Does anyone know of any other reliable ones. I read up on all the complaints against them and have decided not to order from there.

I've tried researching it online and haven't turned up any good sites.

Thanks.

I think elitefitness.com just took on some new sponsors for this kinda stuff.

-Eric

This is my first cycle ever.If I was going to run Superdrol at 10/20/20 would I be ok with PP's TRS?Do I need Nolva?If so,at what dose?I might even stack Dermacrine with Superdrol.Should I?What would be the pros and cons?

I think I just answered this in the forum...

-Eric

I recall a theory that it ups CYP17 and consequently everything mediated by CYP17. I'm sure I have the article saved somewhere...

I started a cycle of t-1 on 12/3/08 - 7 days - 5 Pumps - I am running Toco -8 the whole time and Sutain on 2 days off 5 days off at night - It is going nicely. I am close to the end of my 3rd week.

Started training on 10/28 - according to BOD POD 10/28- Weight 174- 17.4% fat , 30 pounds of Fat - 143 Fat Free Mass - Started hard training.


on 12/15 am improving - I weighed 176 (up 2 pounds) at 15.5% body Fat (down 2%) - 5 9" - 149 fat free mass (up 6 pounds) - 27 pounds of fat (down 3 pounds) - 38 years old measured by a BOD POD on 12/15.

I am training 5 to 6 days a week (4 muscle days). Eating 700 calories less than I burn 6 of 7 days and then eating all of my calories (adding carbs) 1 day of the week. 40-45% protien - 40-35% Carbs - 20% Fats - Very Low Sugars - and lots of lean Chicken and Turkey. Total Calories around 2100 depending on training.

My goals 8 weeks later on 1/27/09: 12/3 to 1/27

1. Libidio and Test back to normal (Getting married in Mexico on 1/31/09)very important
2. 12% Body Fat (Need to go from 27 pounds of fat to 21 pounds - Lose 6 pounds in 6 weeks)
3. Would like to add 6 pounds of Muscle - Total weight 175


I will run my T-1 for 4 full weeks ending on 12/31.

On 1/1/09 I will start PCT with Sustain 5 on 2 off and toco-8 & endoamp. I will have 4 weeks to get my test and libidio in full swing for the honeymoon.

Here are my questions & Thank you in advance for my answers!

1. Should I consider running 5 weeks of T-1 or will that not give me enough time for my Libidio (3.5 weeks to the wedding) - Is my plan of 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off better?

2. I was going to add 6-oxo extreme with my PCt cycle - (ZMA and 6-oxo) - Is this a good idea or over kill? I already have the 6-oxo extreme?

3. MY MAIN QUESTION - what type of diet and training should I use for my 4 week PCT - High Protien, Low Carb with more cardio. I will need to lose about 2% more body fat - 3.5 pounds in 4 weeks. Will this bring my test back?

4. Finally, what are your thoughts about running 11-oxo the last 2 weeks of my t-1 cycle to help shed some fat?

Thanks & waiting for your response.

Andy

Hey Andy,

I would get off the 1-T now and start the PCT. Avoid the 6-oxo. It won’t help and it will eventually have a negative effect on your libido because it appears to be an anti-androgen. I’ve had debates with Patrick Arnold about this, and he doesn’t appear to have any defense, except that “6-oxo sells well”.

Take advantage of the anti-catabolic action of 1-T move into a very low carb state until the end of the cycle [even lower than you are now] and then gradually build back up the carbohydrate intake until your wedding. If you wanted to include 11-oxo now until the end of the cycle that should be fine.

-Eric

Sorry, I did not follow your post. First you said get off of the T-1 now.
Does that mean today at only 3 weeks in or did you mean at the end of the 4th week? Why get off after only 3 weeks?

Then you said move into a very low carb state until the end of the cycle and then gradually build back up the carbs until your wedding. Are you saying for the next week go to a mix of 50% protien 25% fat and 25% carbs until the t-1 cycle ends in 1 week... Then slowly add carbs for my 4 week PCT cycle?


Thanks and sorry,

Andy

What ??!!
ATD killed my libido and I've heard claims (haven't seen studies) of it blocking androgen receptors. But 6-oxo has my libido at puberty levels. Why do you think it's an anti-androgen ?

Eric,

After the Holiday's will you give me your advice? Thanks!