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Would taking aromasin or arimidex concurrently with 1-T TREN prevent gyno flare-ups? I think I remember reading that someone didn't have much luck in preventing tren related gyno but I could be way off.


With so many different views on PCT, I'd like to hear what the Primordial guys recommend for test-e. hCG is obvious (2x/week throughout the cycle) but what actually needs to be done for PCT, once the test and hCG has cleared the system? I read "the dark side" but the article kind of left me hanging at the end. If hCG and an AI are taken on-cycle, what should be taken post-cycle?

Is aromasin or arimidex better to take on-cycle for gyno prevention, and at what dosing protocol?

Aromasin should help prevent the gyno. You will find more details about 1-T TREN and gyno in thread thread -

http://www.primordialperformance.com...ng-thread.html

The TRS is what we recommend for PCT, and perhaps stacked with a low dose of one of the safer SERM’s, such as toremifene. However, I generally only recommend a SERM if the user didn’t run hCG on cycle and ran a cycle longer than 6 weeks.

Running hCG on-cycle makes PCT so much easier, which allows you to be successful on a “lighter” PCT such as the TRS.

-Eric

Gotcha. So for Test-E is aromasin or arimidex better to take on-cycle for gyno prevention, and at what dosing protocol? It seems like most guys recommend arimidex on-cycle then aromasin for PCT. Do you favor aromasin? TIA.

I favor aromasin for both cases, to avoid the estrogen rebound.

BTW, you shouldn’t be running aromasin (or any powerful AI) for PCT unless you plan on running heavy hCG during this time.

-Eric

I am running 1000ui hCG e3d during my cycle. I will be on for about 3 more weeks and then hopefully the TRS have gotten through the customs in Denmark.

1000ui e3d is that too much during cycle? Me testicles are not as sensitive or full as they were before.

Btw i am running 0,5mg arimidex ED and will do 1mg ED for PCT and hopefully along with the TRS.

Thanks.

Eric:

I posted this in the regular forum, but I think this thread might be more appropriate... I just ordered the 1-T Tren Hardcore Strack including the TRS. I already plan on doing the 10 week plan outlined on the page, as well as the following...

10mg Mono Creatine per day
15mg Glutamine per day
Joint Supplement
Omega-3 Fish Oil
BCAA's

My question is... Should I add a product like Arom-X from the beginning of my cycle to avoid gyno? Should I add the extra bottle of Sustain Alpha during the cycle to avoid bad side effects or gyno? Should I add Nolva during PCT? Basically, I'm not concerned with adding something to the cycle to make it more potent... I am primarily concerned with warding off potential side effects, including gyno.

Any help or suggestions you have would be great. Thanks.

You could use Arom-X to help reduce risk of gyno. Sustain Alpha on cycle would help keep libido up. The TRS is enough for PCT without the Nolva.

Yes, that is way to much for the long-term on-cycle protocol.

You will only need to take 1000iu at the end or after a cycle if you didn’t use hCG during the cycle. And, you never want to do more than 3-4 shots of the 1000iu E4D, or it will cause desensitization.

How long have you been running this dose? How many more weeks till PCT.

-Eric

Oh that is not good news :/

I started by injecting 2500ui hCG e5d for 2 weeks, i then realized that the half-life acording to some people were shorter so that EOD or e3d would be more apropiate. I then started the 1000ui hCG e3d and have been doing it for 2 weeks now. My PCT is planned to start in 20-25 days. Should just start injecting 500ui hCG e4d?

Thank you for taking your time, i really apreciate the response.

This night be hard to follow but I'll hit the highlights and make it brief

Never did AS - late 30's, labs said low free test. Doc put me on androgel, Ok for awhile then switched me to test injections - 200mg every two weeks, then boosted that to every week.

Bottom line: Was on synthetic test for almost two years, injectable at 200mg/week for last six months. Test just never sat right with me, felt lethargic, not that much benefits, didnt want to be sticking a needle in my backside once a week for next forty years.

Is there any thing that can get my natural back to a semi-decent level after that long on the synthetic? if so how much, how long?

No, just drop the hCG now and give you testes some time to resensitize. Hopefully by the time the steroids are cleared from the system in 20-25 days you balls will be responsive to the LH & FSH sent from the brain.

BTW, the E4D protocol I advise is because of the 2-3 day half-life. You want to have a break in hCG stimulation to keep testicular sensitivity.

-Eric

It will be an uphill battle, but you may be able to eventually get to high enough levels naturally to maintain a normal life. (300-400ng/dl)

I would start 1000iu of hCG E4D for 3 shots, while running 25mg/day Aromasin. I would also run 40mg/day toremifene with this, along with the TRS and continue the Torem and TRS for 6 weeks after the hCG treatment.

If this protocol doesn’t get your T levels up to atleast 150ng/dl by the 7th or 8th week you can consider this a loosing battle that is probably not worth your time or money. That is the best protocol I can recommend though. (Aside from possibly using hMG instead of hCG if you can get ahold of it)

If you are serious about this you would also benefit from making a couple diet and life style changes too. (eg, higher red meat consumption, more outdoor/sunlight exposure, more emphasis on consistent early bedtime and waking schedule)

-Eric

Ok, I will drop the hCG then. But for how long? Should i start shooting 1000ui hCG E4D for PCT in 25 days along with arimidex and the TRS then? Or should I just "throw away" the last hCG i have?

I would start 1000iu of hCG E4D for 3 shots, while running 25mg/day Aromasin. I would also run 40mg/day toremifene with this, along with the TRS and continue the Torem and TRS for 6 weeks after the hCG treatment.

That is the best protocol I can recommend though. (Aside from possibly using hMG instead of hCG if you can get ahold of it)

Thanks a lot Eric - where would one go for this sort of protocol? A HRT doc or Endrocinologist?
What is HMG?

You wont need anymore hCG for this cycle or PCT.

-Eric

Yes, you can probably get hCG without a Dr.

hMG is very similar to hCG but with a much shorter half-life and probably more effective for your purposes, but harder to get ahold of and more expensive.

If going with hMG I would suggest 300iu ED for 5 days.

-Eric

after reading through some of the logs in the forum. i cant tell if The TRS is enough for my pct. im doing a 6 week 5 pumps of 1-t/phyto test. is the the TRS enough for my PCT? would adding a natural test booster help?

I ran the same exact cycle that you are planning. I saw some fantastic gains.

The TRS will be plenty for that cycle.

Thank you very much!

I guess shrunken nuts will be a challenge