thanks simmons! will a natural test. booster help at all?

The TRS has been enough for plenty of users on the 1-T stack. A test-booster wouldn't hurt if you have one handy. There's plenty of different ones, personally I liked Diesel Test Hardcore , but Stoked on sale for $27.90 after the 7% coupon code MM7 , it's a worthy 2nd choice.

Could someone clear up my sleep-deprived confusion?



They say hCG shouldn't be used in PCT.

PP says SustainAlpha is similar to hCG (both affect LH).

PP recommends SA on cycle and for PCT.

If SA increases LH how does it allow your leydig cells to re-sensitize naturally during PCT?

hCG is an exogenous stimulus and will suppress natural production in PCT, whereas Sustain Alpha merely augments your natural LH release, and will not lead to suppression. On cycle, you're shutdown anyways, but hCG will force the testes to produce testosterone despite no LH signal. SA on-cycle causes a release of your own LH that otherwise is suppressed.

what would be the best pct for 8 weeks 1-t cycle.

Why don't you knock the cycle down to 6 weeks? You should see some great gains, and that's the cycle length that's normally recommended.

The Hardcore Muscle Stack would be perfect. It contains 2 bottles of 1-T (enough for a 6 week cycle at 5 pumps a day), and the Testosterone Recovery Stack for PCT. It'll be all you need.

Basically, you can’t have start full HPTA recovery until your pituitary is releasing its own LH & FSH, which is what Sustain stimulates, but hCG suppresses.

Remember, hCG mimic's LH and Sustain causes your body to release more LH, thus stimulating the entire HPTA axis. (Hypothalamus, Pituitary, Testicular Axis)

As far as maintaining sensitivity to LH with Sustain, we recommend the weekends off for this purpose. (different dosing schedule than hCG because of obvious half-life differences)

-Eric

Yeah, really no reason to run 8 weeks, it will just make recovery that much harder.

-Eric

Agreed - A six week 1-T cycle should offer maximum benefits in terms of gains, while still allowing for a more manageable PCT recovery period.

I am looking into starting a cycle of Havoc coming up and am wondering about PCT. The cycle will either be 20/20/30/30 or 20/20/30/40 depending on results after week three. I am wondering if I should take anything else with the Havoc and if Sustain Alpha with a low dose of Nolva would be a good enough PCT.

Eric,

There are quite a few reports of people experiencing gyno or delayed gyno from Havoc/Epi.

Here are a couple of threads:
Havoc causing gyno
Epistine causing possibly causing Gyno. - Anabolic Steroids - Steroid.com / Anabolic Review Forums

Any idea why this is happening to some people?

I'm ready to pull the trigger on TRS for my cycle but I'm reluctant to start anything until I can figure out why these people are getting gyno and what I can do to eliminate that as a possible side. It's the one side effect I can't accept.

Any thoughts about this?

Thanks!

I suspect its either because epi is acting on the progesterone receptor, or binding so strongly to SHBG that it is offsetting E2/E1 and causing these symptoms.

It’s also possible that epi may be stimulating the lactotrophs to release prolactin. In either case, Vitex can help the situation.

-Eric

You've made two different dosing recommendations for Torem. Since I am planning to use Torem can you please clarify? Would you go with 40 in some cases but 20 in others? Was it a typo? A change of heart?

I also have a question about your thoughts on AI's. In your article you said "Therefore, assuming proper AI's are used during cycle, I can only recommend an AI be used for PCT if hCG is also used." What if no AI is used on cycle? Then would you recommend an AI for PCT or not?

Thanks.

Yeah, different cycles will call for different PCT’s.

20mg would be enough for most cycles, whereas 40mg would be more effective and a better for a more suppressive cycle.

You don’t necessarily need an AI if you are running hCG. It depends on the cycle. If you are doing Test (or another aromatizing steroid) and you want to keep estrogen in control, then yes, you would need an AI. This doesn’t have much bearing on actually PCT though, since once the steroids are clear, they are clear. (including the estrogen)

-Eric

I hear the TRS is about to become temporarily more affordable later this week...

Hello all I am new here. I am going to shut up and read but first I have an immediate concern I was hoping to get some quit summary help with. I have experience with high does testosterone cypionate and now I am considering adding some Deca. In the past my PCT consisted of only HCG about every 7-9 weeks I would either break a 5000 iu into 2 doses over a couple of weeks. And If I could identify a mid point in the cycle I would try to split 5000iu over 20-30 days administering proportionately every other day. Always followed up with a 2500iu X 2 over two weeks at end. Only have couple years experience and cycles lasting as long as 9 months on test only. I am not sure if I ever maintenanced enough or allowed a full recovery. urologist says testes are a bit soft. I am on cycle but I have HCG in the mix for last two weeks prior to urologist visit. I am not even sure if this batch is any good. I am not getting the response I got in the past. HCG used to blow my testicles up really well. This time I dont seem to be getting anything.?? Does anyone know if I went too long without correcting a problem and if I could have done permanent damage from this last 6 months without HCG. I was on trt dose for first three of last six months and had to discontinue all abruptly with nothiing what so ever for last 3-4 months. Can anyone elaborate to help me here and if there is potential damage here, is there something else I can apply to correct before too late. Thanks in advance.

If so, my wallet will become temporarily a little lighter later this week....


Lou

It sounds like you just over did the hCG, and have desensitized.

What has your most immediate hCG use looked like?

-Eric

Does anyone have a decent place to get hcG from? Any help is awesome!

These boards aren't for discussions of sources. That kind of thing gets people in trouble.