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# 161
07-18-2009
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The TRS has proven to be so safe & effective, that guys are shunning Clomid and Nolvadex every chance they get and using the TRS alone for PCT. Hundreds of testimonials and dozens of blood tests from real life customers have proven the Testosterone Recovery Stack to be just as effective as a SERM for PCT, but without the side effects. For those that may want additional support for PCT, the TRS stacks synergistically with low responsible doses of SERMs. (Just checkout the PCT Stacking Guideline table below) |
# 162
07-18-2009
Blood test results from Sustain Alpha & Toco-8 PCT - Mind and Muscle Forums
This was after an 8 week cycle with Sustain Alpha and Toco-8 as PCT (no ancillaries)
Also this one.
Primordial's Testosterone Recovery Stack w/ before and after bloodwork! - Bodybuilding.com Forums
# 163
07-31-2009
I just finished a 15 wk Test cycle. For wks 1-13 I used Test E, I switched to Test Prop for the last two weeks. I ran hCG from weeks 5-15. I have PP TRS and Nolva on hand. My last Test Prop shot was 7/30 and I'm going to wait 1 week (till 8/7) b4 I start TRS. Will this be enough? How much Nolva should I use? I was planning on 20/20/20/20 but I've seen some folks just running 10/10/10/10 along with the TRS. Any help would be appreciated.
# 164
07-31-2009
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fellas,
I just finished a 15 wk Test cycle. For wks 1-13 I used Test E, I switched to Test Prop for the last two weeks. I ran hCG from weeks 5-15. I have PP TRS and Nolva on hand. My last Test Prop shot was 7/30 and I'm going to wait 1 week (till 8/7) b4 I start TRS. Will this be enough? How much Nolva should I use? I was planning on 20/20/20/20 but I've seen some folks just running 10/10/10/10 along with the TRS. Any help would be appreciated. |
As far as the Nolva goes, you shouldn't need any higher than 20mg/day. The inclusion of HCG during your cycle will definitely help to expedite your recovery process. You could try the Nolva at 20mg/day x 2 weeks, then drop to 10mg/day.
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# 168
09-29-2009
However, I am considering using real gear once my PCT is over (been clean for over 2 years) and would like some advice on PCT for that. I am provisionally planning:
Weeks 1-4: 250mg Sustanon 250, 200mg Equipoise x 2/week
Weeks 5-8: 200mg Equipoise x 2/week, 40mg Anavar/day
I have read through this entire thread but would like to clarify something (hopefully with Eric's help).
I know that any cycle over 4 weeks should employ HCG use during cycle but I would application of SA (3 on/3 off) + Toco-8 be a sufficient substitute?
Also, will the TRS be adequate as PCT for 4 weeks?
I have a feeling that someone will recommend reducing the cycle to 6 weeks rather than 8 if no HCG is to be used but I'd also like to know opinions on keeping it at 8 weeks.
Thanks in advance
# 169
09-30-2009
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I am now using 1TT for the second time now and into my 5th week. I have the TRS on hand to use once my 6 weeks is up. However, I am considering using real gear once my PCT is over (been clean for over 2 years) and would like some advice on PCT for that. I am provisionally planning: Weeks 1-4: 250mg Sustanon 250, 200mg Equipoise x 2/week Weeks 5-8: 200mg Equipoise x 2/week, 40mg Anavar/day I have read through this entire thread but would like to clarify something (hopefully with Eric's help). I know that any cycle over 4 weeks should employ HCG use during cycle but I would application of SA (3 on/3 off) + Toco-8 be a sufficient substitute? Also, will the TRS be adequate as PCT for 4 weeks? I have a feeling that someone will recommend reducing the cycle to 6 weeks rather than 8 if no HCG is to be used but I'd also like to know opinions on keeping it at 8 weeks. Thanks in advance |
Plus, those are longer acting esters that are going to add weeks of "on time". If though you may only be shooting for 8 weeks... you are really "on" a 12 week cycle.
-Eric
# 170
10-01-2009
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At this time we cant recommend Sustain as a replacement for HCG. If you are going to go 8 weeks, I would highly suggest getting ahold of hCG.
Plus, those are longer acting esters that are going to add weeks of "on time". If though you may only be shooting for 8 weeks... you are really "on" a 12 week cycle. -Eric |
However, you mention that they are longer acting esters...sust250 yes, it has an active life of about 3 weeks but weeks 5-8 there is no sust therefore by conclusion of the 8 week cycle this should be mostly clear of my system. Equipoise (weeks 5-8) has an active life of around 7-9 days and anavar 8-12 hours so won't I be good to go on the PCT 10-14 days after last injection?
Would adding 1TT to the last 4 weeks (EQ + var) provide any additional benefits?
Thanks for you input
# 171
12-06-2009
So is Toremifene ahead of nolva due to side effects? Desensitization? Because it looks like it may have a slight edge in lab values.
I keep hearing Toremifene is the better of the two however.
# 173
01-03-2010
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01-05-2010
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Nolvadex best T-booster of the SERMS
So is Toremifene ahead of nolva due to side effects? Desensitization? Because it looks like it may have a slight edge in lab values. I keep hearing Toremifene is the better of the two however. |
Also, I hear nolva appears to have negative effects on mood and how you feel. Toremifene seems to have the opposite effect on me. It's probably the testosterone surge, but at least there's nothing negative from toremifene.
# 176
01-07-2010
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