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# 161 Old 07-18-2009

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The TRS has proven to be so safe & effective, that guys are shunning Clomid and Nolvadex every chance they get and using the TRS alone for PCT. Hundreds of testimonials and dozens of blood tests from real life customers have proven the Testosterone Recovery Stack to be just as effective as a SERM for PCT, but without the side effects. For those that may want additional support for PCT, the TRS stacks synergistically with low responsible doses of SERMs. (Just checkout the PCT Stacking Guideline table below)
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Can you please point me in the direction of these blood tests
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# 162 Old 07-18-2009

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I found one here
Blood test results from Sustain Alpha & Toco-8 PCT - Mind and Muscle Forums

This was after an 8 week cycle with Sustain Alpha and Toco-8 as PCT (no ancillaries)

Also this one.
Primordial's Testosterone Recovery Stack w/ before and after bloodwork! - Bodybuilding.com Forums
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# 163 Old 07-31-2009

fellas,

I just finished a 15 wk Test cycle. For wks 1-13 I used Test E, I switched to Test Prop for the last two weeks. I ran hCG from weeks 5-15. I have PP TRS and Nolva on hand. My last Test Prop shot was 7/30 and I'm going to wait 1 week (till 8/7) b4 I start TRS. Will this be enough? How much Nolva should I use? I was planning on 20/20/20/20 but I've seen some folks just running 10/10/10/10 along with the TRS. Any help would be appreciated.
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# 164 Old 07-31-2009

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fellas,

I just finished a 15 wk Test cycle. For wks 1-13 I used Test E, I switched to Test Prop for the last two weeks. I ran hCG from weeks 5-15. I have PP TRS and Nolva on hand. My last Test Prop shot was 7/30 and I'm going to wait 1 week (till 8/7) b4 I start TRS. Will this be enough? How much Nolva should I use? I was planning on 20/20/20/20 but I've seen some folks just running 10/10/10/10 along with the TRS. Any help would be appreciated.
That time frame looks pretty good to me. I like how you had this cycle set up. What were your gains like (out of curiosity)?

As far as the Nolva goes, you shouldn't need any higher than 20mg/day. The inclusion of HCG during your cycle will definitely help to expedite your recovery process. You could try the Nolva at 20mg/day x 2 weeks, then drop to 10mg/day.
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# 165 Old 08-14-2009

I just finished a 5 week cycle of havoc and have the TRS as pct, where is the best places to apply the sustain alpha, also how many pumps would you recomend?
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# 166 Old 08-14-2009

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I just finished a 5 week cycle of havoc and have the TRS as pct, where is the best places to apply the sustain alpha, also how many pumps would you recomend?
6 pumps total divided between the scrotum, neck, chest, shoulders, upper ams, & thighs. Make sure you shave wherever you apply.
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# 167 Old 08-29-2009

Ok im using the trs as my pct, now im just wondering if i can add other test boosting supps while using sustain alpha, and if so which ones work the best, any help guys would be great
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# 168 Old 09-29-2009

I am now using 1TT for the second time now and into my 5th week. I have the TRS on hand to use once my 6 weeks is up.

However, I am considering using real gear once my PCT is over (been clean for over 2 years) and would like some advice on PCT for that. I am provisionally planning:

Weeks 1-4: 250mg Sustanon 250, 200mg Equipoise x 2/week
Weeks 5-8: 200mg Equipoise x 2/week, 40mg Anavar/day

I have read through this entire thread but would like to clarify something (hopefully with Eric's help).

I know that any cycle over 4 weeks should employ HCG use during cycle but I would application of SA (3 on/3 off) + Toco-8 be a sufficient substitute?

Also, will the TRS be adequate as PCT for 4 weeks?

I have a feeling that someone will recommend reducing the cycle to 6 weeks rather than 8 if no HCG is to be used but I'd also like to know opinions on keeping it at 8 weeks.

Thanks in advance
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# 169 Old 09-30-2009

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I am now using 1TT for the second time now and into my 5th week. I have the TRS on hand to use once my 6 weeks is up.

However, I am considering using real gear once my PCT is over (been clean for over 2 years) and would like some advice on PCT for that. I am provisionally planning:

Weeks 1-4: 250mg Sustanon 250, 200mg Equipoise x 2/week
Weeks 5-8: 200mg Equipoise x 2/week, 40mg Anavar/day

I have read through this entire thread but would like to clarify something (hopefully with Eric's help).

I know that any cycle over 4 weeks should employ HCG use during cycle but I would application of SA (3 on/3 off) + Toco-8 be a sufficient substitute?

Also, will the TRS be adequate as PCT for 4 weeks?

I have a feeling that someone will recommend reducing the cycle to 6 weeks rather than 8 if no HCG is to be used but I'd also like to know opinions on keeping it at 8 weeks.

Thanks in advance
At this time we cant recommend Sustain as a replacement for HCG. If you are going to go 8 weeks, I would highly suggest getting ahold of hCG.

Plus, those are longer acting esters that are going to add weeks of "on time". If though you may only be shooting for 8 weeks... you are really "on" a 12 week cycle.

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# 170 Old 10-01-2009

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At this time we cant recommend Sustain as a replacement for HCG. If you are going to go 8 weeks, I would highly suggest getting ahold of hCG.

Plus, those are longer acting esters that are going to add weeks of "on time". If though you may only be shooting for 8 weeks... you are really "on" a 12 week cycle.

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OK I'll either choose to employ HCG during cycle and TRS post cycle or alter the length to 6 weeks. More than likely I will add HCG.

However, you mention that they are longer acting esters...sust250 yes, it has an active life of about 3 weeks but weeks 5-8 there is no sust therefore by conclusion of the 8 week cycle this should be mostly clear of my system. Equipoise (weeks 5-8) has an active life of around 7-9 days and anavar 8-12 hours so won't I be good to go on the PCT 10-14 days after last injection?

Would adding 1TT to the last 4 weeks (EQ + var) provide any additional benefits?

Thanks for you input
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# 171 Old 12-06-2009

Nolvadex best T-booster of the SERMS

So is Toremifene ahead of nolva due to side effects? Desensitization? Because it looks like it may have a slight edge in lab values.
I keep hearing Toremifene is the better of the two however.
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# 172 Old 12-15-2009

Eric, you still around dude?
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# 173 Old 01-03-2010

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Ok im using the trs as my pct, now im just wondering if i can add other test boosting supps while using sustain alpha, and if so which ones work the best, any help guys would be great
I would like to know the same thing. Would taking a test booster like AXIS HT or the like aid or impede recovery? How would the Phyto-testosterone factor in to the stack?
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# 174 Old 01-05-2010

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Nolvadex best T-booster of the SERMS

So is Toremifene ahead of nolva due to side effects? Desensitization? Because it looks like it may have a slight edge in lab values.
I keep hearing Toremifene is the better of the two however.
Funny, my personal experience is quite different, didn't get anything from nolva.

Also, I hear nolva appears to have negative effects on mood and how you feel. Toremifene seems to have the opposite effect on me. It's probably the testosterone surge, but at least there's nothing negative from toremifene.
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# 175 Old 01-05-2010

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How would the Phyto-testosterone factor in to the stack?
If fenugreek works through raising corticotropin releasing hormone like almost every supplement store claims, then it might not be such a great thing ?
CRH -> ACTH -> cortisol
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# 176 Old 01-07-2010

starting a 4 week EPI cycle soon. TRS Stack for PCT....when should I start the TOCO 8?
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# 177 Old 01-07-2010

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starting a 4 week EPI cycle soon. TRS Stack for PCT....when should I start the TOCO 8?
you can start the Toco-8 with the EPI if your doing a 4 week cycle. 1 bottle of Toco has 60 servings

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# 178 Old 01-07-2010

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you can start the Toco-8 with the EPI if your doing a 4 week cycle. 1 bottle of Toco has 60 servings

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# 179 Old 01-07-2010

also, will 1 bottle of sustain alpha be enough for 6 pumps / 20 days of a 4 week PCT or will I need another bottle (hope not)
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# 180 Old 01-07-2010

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also, will 1 bottle of sustain alpha be enough for 6 pumps / 20 days of a 4 week PCT or will I need another bottle (hope not)
yes at 5 days on 2 days off

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