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# 81 Old 02-22-2010

Day 8 training log
A bit impeded by joint pain (see post above) until aspirin and endorphins kicked in after about 30 minutes of the exercise routine.

Exercises (back, biceps, forearms) (Monday, Thursday)

Pullups (palm down) 4 sets (21,21,22,22)
Seated Wide Lat Pull Down 2 sets of 24 with 200# (bowflex)
Narrow Pull Down 2 sets of 24 with 240# (bowflex)
Reverse Grip pulldown 2 sets of 23 with 250# (bowflex) (increased 1 rep for each set)
Crossover Seated Rear Deltoid Row 3 sets (29,28,28) with 410# (bowflex) (+1 rep total)
Seated Lat Row 3 sets (29,29,28) with 410# (bowflex) (+1 rep total)
Bent Over 1 arm Row 4 sets of 100# (left) 15,14,14,13 & 3 sets of 100# (right) 23,21,20
Standing Lat Fly 2 sets of 26 with 350# (bowflex)
Preacher Curl 2 sets of 90# ez curl bar(23,23) (increased weight by 5#)
Lying Cable Curl 4 sets with 250#(bowflex) 18,16,16,16 (increased weight by 10#)
Hammer Curl 1 set of 160# (bowflex) (24) (increased 2 reps)
Reverse Cable Curl 2 sets of 24 with 160# (bowflex)
Reverse barbell Curl 2 sets of 18 with 55# with ez curl bar
Standing Wrist Extension 3 sets of 18 with 180# (as superset with wrist curl)
Standing Wrist Curl 3 sets of 18 with 180# (as superset with wrist extension)
Forearm Flexion 2 sets of 13-16 using 60# dumbbells
Wrist Roller 2 sets using 30#
Good Morning 2 sets of 29 using 410# (bowflex) Increased 1 reps for each set)
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# 82 Old 02-23-2010

Yesterday's (Day 8 - 2/22/2010) combo workout.

Cardio 1:
Octane Running Elliptical: 6/8/10 interval training x 20 minutes

Superset 1: 15 x 4
  • Leg Press: 270, 295, 295, 330
  • Cable Cross: 50, 50, 60, 70
  • Overhead Press: 100, 110, 120, 120

Superset 2: 15 x 4
  • Leg Extension: 120, 130, 140, 150
  • Row: 100, 110, 120, 120
  • Biceps Curl: 60, 60, 70, 70

Superset 3: 15 x 4
  • Chest Fly: 60, 60, 70, 70
  • Triceps Pushdown: 180, 190, 200, 200
  • Lat Pulldown: 80, 90, 100, 100

Crunches: [150, 150, 160, 160] x 20

Cardio 2:
Stair-Stepper, Target HR = 140, 20 minutes

So far, no problems with the cycle. Today is a cardio-intensive day.

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# 83 Old 02-23-2010

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Day 8 and having lots of problems with joint pain

Looking for advice on some joint pain I am having, which has gotten much worse since starting this cycle.

It is starting to interfere with my workouts.

Currently taking tren 3x/day, with 300mg of Vitex each time, for 900mg Vitex/day.

Also taking Formestane topical and LV 2x/day, 750mg Nettle Root, and Chrysin daily for AI.

My pain in my ankles has been getting worse, and having pain in right elbow, both wrists, which just started. Still having some pain in left elbow, but that is normal because it is wonky and has been injured several times.

Looking for any advice here.

I am also taking Cissus for joint pain, plus glucosamine.
My first guess is that it is the AI agents, in particular the formestane.

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# 84 Old 02-23-2010

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Day 8 and having lots of problems with joint pain

Looking for advice on some joint pain I am having, which has gotten much worse since starting this cycle.

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I am also taking Cissus for joint pain, plus glucosamine.
I had some joint pain while on the Tren LV. I started using a product called Flex-A-Min and it has helped me. The bottle says it can take weeks to notice results, but I felt improvement after 3-4 days.

It's Glucosamine + Chondroitin + MSM + Hyaluronic Acid + Univestin + Vitamin D. Normally I don't like so much stuff in a single product, but as I said above, this one worked for me.

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# 85 Old 02-23-2010

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I had some joint pain while on the Tren LV. I started using a product called Flex-A-Min and it has helped me. The bottle says it can take weeks to notice results, but I felt improvement after 3-4 days.

It's Glucosamine + Chondroitin + MSM + Hyaluronic Acid + Univestin + Vitamin D. Normally I don't like so much stuff in a single product, but as I said above, this one worked for me.

Lou
Thanks for the information, Lou.
I will give it a try.

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# 86 Old 02-23-2010

Day 9 - 2/23/2010:

A cardio-intensive day. I was feeling a bit more aggressive, so I upped the 10K run on the Octane to level 6, and completed it in 42:51... and was completely drenched in sweat. Peak heart rate hit 178 bpm, which technically slightly exceeds my calculated HRmax. I can't wait to tell my cardiologist at my next appointment to see what his reaction is.


Followed up with some Abs/Core work with a stability ball.
  1. Crunches: [supine 25, right side 25, left side 25] x 5
  2. Squats with 25 lb weight in each hand: 20 x 5
  3. Plank holds: 60 seconds x 5
  4. Balance Pushups: 20 x 5
  5. Bridge Hamstring Curl: 20 x 5
  6. Knee Tuck: 20 x 5

I also received my Free-T lab results back today, and it was > 50 pg/dL, which is off the scale. Normal range for this assay is 9.3 - 26.5 pg/dL for guys in their 20s; it's slightly lower for guys in Keith's and my age stratum. I called the reference lab which ran the test and asked them if the result was correct, and they told me that they actually repeated the test to make certain that there wasn't an error. They also told me that the true value could be 51 or it could be 250; it's beyond the measurement range of their assay.

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# 87 Old 02-23-2010

Day 9 (legs, abs, rehab) Tuesdays, Fridays (2/23/10)

Due to my ankles being still sore, I substituted stationary bike work for my normal jog at the end of this workout.

Also, I had Polycemia type headaches today, even though my hematocrit levels were too low for that when I had my blood tested before the cycle started. I will monitor this going forward.

On the plus side, I felt very strong throughout the workout.

Squats 4 sets of 34 with 410# (bowflex)
Calf Raises 4 sets of 410# (bowflex) (32,28,28,28) (increased 4 reps 1st set)
Deadlift 3 sets of 29 with 410# (bowflex) Increased 1 rep each set)
pullups (superset with hanging leg raises) 4 sets (16, 16, 17, 17) (increased 2 reps total)
Hanging Leg Raises (superset with pullups) 4 sets of 20
Seated Ab Crunch 4 sets of 33 with 350# (bowflex) (added 4th set, and did extra rep each set)
Superset wrist curls/wrist extensions 25’ dumbbells 3 supersets of 20

Finished up with 28 minutes on exercise bike

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# 88 Old 02-24-2010

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Also, I had Polycemia type headaches today, even though my hematocrit levels were too low for that when I had my blood tested before the cycle started. I will monitor this going forward.
Did you check your BP?

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# 89 Old 02-24-2010

Not yet. My wife used to have a BP monitor at home, but lost it.

I ordered another one online, but will not receive it until Friday.
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# 90 Old 02-24-2010

A product you won't be seeing from PP any time soon...


Letrozole 2.5 mg tabs x 5, pulverized and blended with one 250 mL bottle of SA LV, final concentration is 0.05 mg of letrozole per mL. Also added some blue food coloring and several drops of peppermint extract so that the preparation can easily be distinguished from regular SA LV. It's now a lovely shade of lavender... tastes pretty good too.

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# 91 Old 02-24-2010

Day 10 workout 2/24/10

Continued to have headaches all day, and felt a bit of nausea during workout (but think nausea is from a new supplement I tried)

My wife is a nurse, and called her twice at work, asking her to bring home a BP monitor to borrow, since the one I ordered won't be here until Friday.
2nd call was 5 minutes before she left, and she still forgot.

Made some slight gains again (noted below in parentheses).

Exercises (Chest, Triceps, Shoulders) (Wednesday, Saturday)

Bench Press Warmup 1 set of 32 with 260# (bowflex)
Overhead cable extension Warmup 1 set of 24 with 100# (bowflex)
Incline DB Press (45') 3 sets using 60’ DBs 28, 22, 20 (+2 reps total)
DB Bench Press 3 sets using 60’ DBs 26, 22, 20
Bench Press 2 sets of 30 using 410# (bowflex)
Decline Press 2 sets of 30 using 410# (bowflex)
Incline Press 2 sets of 32 using 410# (bowflex)
Chest Fly 4 sets with 320# (bowflex) 20, 17, 16, 16 (added 10#)
Triceps Extension (French Press) 3 sets with 340# (bowflex) 26, 24, 24 (added 10# and kept reps same)
Hammer Triceps Extension 1 set of 22 with 340# (bowflex) (increased weight)
Rope pushdown 2 sets of 21 with 180# (bowflex) (added 1 rep/set)
Lying Tricep Ext. (skullcrusher) 2 sets of 18 with 55# and ez curl
Bench Dip 1 set of 32 using body weight
Dumbbell shoulder press 3 sets with 50# DBs 18, 15, 13 (added 2 reps total)
Arnold Press 3 sets with 45# DBs 16, 14, 13 (added 2 reps total)
Front Shoulder Raise 2 sets using 110# (bowflex) 22, 22
Lateral Shoulder Raise 2 sets using 110# (bowflex) 22, 22
Shoulder Extension 2 sets of 27 using 150# (bowflex)
Shoulder Shrug 3 sets of 29 using 410# (bowflex)
DB Lying Rear Lateral Raise 1 set of 19 using 35# DBs
Seated Bent Over Lat Raise 1 set of 19 using 35# DBs
Triceps Pushdown (Lat Bar) (Superset with Hammer Curl) 2 sets of 20 with 190#
Hammer Curl (Superset with Triceps Pushdown) sets of 21 and 20 using 40# Dumbbells
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# 92 Old 02-25-2010

Yesterday's (Day 10 - 2/24/2010) workout.

Cardio:
Octane Running Elliptical: 1/5/10 interval training x 30 minutes

Stability Ball:
  • Squats with 25 lb weight in each hand: 20 x 5
  • Plank holds: 60 seconds x 5
  • Balance Pushups: 20 x 5
  • Bridge Hamstring Curl: 20 x 5
  • Knee Tuck: 20 x 5

Superset 1: 15 x 4
  • Cable Cross: 50, 50, 60, 70
  • Overhead Press (plates, unlinked): 100, 110, 120, 120
  • Rope Pulldown: 60, 60, 70, 80

Superset 2: 15 x 4
  • Incline Chest Press (plates, unlinked): 150, 160, 170, 180
  • Row: 100, 110, 120, 120
  • Biceps Curl: 60, 60, 70, 70

Superset 3: 15 x 4
  • Chest Press (plates, unlinked): 150, 160, 170, 180
  • Chest Fly: 60, 60, 70, 80
  • Triceps Pushdown: 180, 190, 200, 200
  • Lat Pulldown: 80, 90, 100, 100

Crunches: [150, 160, 160, 170] x 20

Still in ketosis. Starting my low-dose "Letro-LV" 0.05 mg/mL preparation today with a 2 mL (0.1 mg) loading dose. Maintenance dose will be 1 mL (0.05 mg) 2x/week.

Today's workout is a cardio-intensive day.

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# 93 Old 02-25-2010

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Day 10 workout 2/24/10

Continued to have headaches all day, and felt a bit of nausea during workout (but think nausea is from a new supplement I tried)

My wife is a nurse, and called her twice at work, asking her to bring home a BP monitor to borrow, since the one I ordered won't be here until Friday.
2nd call was 5 minutes before she left, and she still forgot.

Made some slight gains again (noted below in parentheses).

Exercises (Chest, Triceps, Shoulders) (Wednesday, Saturday)

Bench Press Warmup 1 set of 32 with 260# (bowflex)
Overhead cable extension Warmup 1 set of 24 with 100# (bowflex)
Incline DB Press (45') 3 sets using 60’ DBs 28, 22, 20 (+2 reps total)
DB Bench Press 3 sets using 60’ DBs 26, 22, 20
Bench Press 2 sets of 30 using 410# (bowflex)
Decline Press 2 sets of 30 using 410# (bowflex)
Incline Press 2 sets of 32 using 410# (bowflex)
Chest Fly 4 sets with 320# (bowflex) 20, 17, 16, 16 (added 10#)
Triceps Extension (French Press) 3 sets with 340# (bowflex) 26, 24, 24 (added 10# and kept reps same)
Hammer Triceps Extension 1 set of 22 with 340# (bowflex) (increased weight)
Rope pushdown 2 sets of 21 with 180# (bowflex) (added 1 rep/set)
Lying Tricep Ext. (skullcrusher) 2 sets of 18 with 55# and ez curl
Bench Dip 1 set of 32 using body weight
Dumbbell shoulder press 3 sets with 50# DBs 18, 15, 13 (added 2 reps total)
Arnold Press 3 sets with 45# DBs 16, 14, 13 (added 2 reps total)
Front Shoulder Raise 2 sets using 110# (bowflex) 22, 22
Lateral Shoulder Raise 2 sets using 110# (bowflex) 22, 22
Shoulder Extension 2 sets of 27 using 150# (bowflex)
Shoulder Shrug 3 sets of 29 using 410# (bowflex)
DB Lying Rear Lateral Raise 1 set of 19 using 35# DBs
Seated Bent Over Lat Raise 1 set of 19 using 35# DBs
Triceps Pushdown (Lat Bar) (Superset with Hammer Curl) 2 sets of 20 with 190#
Hammer Curl (Superset with Triceps Pushdown) sets of 21 and 20 using 40# Dumbbells
Check your blood pressure.

I know there has got to be a grocery store or pharmacy that has free BP testing machine near you.
The third week on Tren shot my BP up.
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# 94 Old 02-25-2010

lookin good so far guys. very nice deteailed log. keep it up
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# 95 Old 02-25-2010

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Check your blood pressure.

I know there has got to be a grocery store or pharmacy that has free BP testing machine near you.
The third week on Tren shot my BP up.
I went to Sam's Club after work and check my blood pressure on the machine there 3 times in the space of 2 minutes.
1st reading was 143/75
2nd was 132/68
3rd was 128/65

So, results all over the place, which is odd.
The machine said that it might give inconsistent results for people with arms with a circumference of 13.5", which, in essence eliminates all adult males not wearing painted nail polish.

So, hope to see better results when the BP machine I ordered comes in tomorrow.
In the meantime, I am taking 4000mg/day of Hawthorn Berry.

BTW, I called my wife and asked her again if she borrowed a BP machine from work (had also asked her yesterday).

Her response was silence, then "Just shoot me".
Luckily, my pre-frontal cortex is developed enough that I was able to remain rational regarding her suggestion.
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I went to Sam's Club after work and check my blood pressure on the machine there 3 times in the space of 2 minutes.
1st reading was 143/75
2nd was 132/68
3rd was 128/65

So, results all over the place, which is odd.
The machine said that it might give inconsistent results for people with arms with a circumference of 13.5", which, in essence eliminates all adult males not wearing painted nail polish.
Yeah, the range between those readings is a bit wide, especially for the systolic. You will see some variation between serial measurements of BP. A good technique is to take several measurements with at least 5 minutes between each, and discard the initial measurement. I have an old Datascope Passport 5L patient transport monitor (i.e. a hospital-grade unit) at home, and I always see minor variations between readings.


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So, hope to see better results when the BP machine I ordered comes in tomorrow. In the meantime, I am taking 4000mg/day of Hawthorn Berry.

BTW, I called my wife and asked her again if she borrowed a BP machine from work (had also asked her yesterday).

Her response was silence, then "Just shoot me".
Luckily, my pre-frontal cortex is developed enough that I was able to remain rational regarding her suggestion.
LOL... 'roid rage!

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BTW, I called my wife and asked her again if she borrowed a BP machine from work (had also asked her yesterday).

Her response was silence, then "Just shoot me".
Luckily, my pre-frontal cortex is developed enough that I was able to remain rational regarding her suggestion.
Alternatively, I could sign her up for a "Swimming with Shamu" encounter at Sea World.
That way, technically, it would be an "accident".
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Alternatively, I could sign her up for a "Swimming with Shamu" encounter at Sea World.
That way, technically, it would be an "accident".
Hehehe... I think Tilikum has a few openings in his busy social schedule. Speaking of 'roid rage:

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Tilikum, the male killer whale that fatally injured trainer Dawn Brancheau in front of a stunned audience at SeaWorld in Orlando on Wednesday, was a breeding "stud" often housed in isolation.

Experts believe he did not kill for food, but may have been acting out due to stress and raging hormones. While some reports have been portraying Tilikum as a particularly aggressive orca, a nearly identical incident involving another killer whale male named Ky occurred in July 2004 at the San Antonio SeaWorld.

Trainer Steve Aibel, like Brancheau, was pulled underwater by the whale, which also attempted to bite, but Aibel walked away uninjured. He later blamed Ky's "adolescent hormones" for the episode.

Marine biologist Nancy Blake told Discovery News that Tilikum could have acted out for similar reasons. "He was used a lot [by SeaWorld] for mating, and could have even been enacting a mating behavior during the incident," explained Blake, a leading expert on killer whales who runs California's Monterey Bay Whale Watch.

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# 99 Old 02-25-2010

Day 11 training log
Joint pain nearly gone. Got a late start exercising today.
Started a bit tired, but got more energy and ended with a very good workout, increasing both weight and reps.

Exercises (back, biceps, forearms) (Monday, Thursday)

Pullups (palm down) 4 sets (21,21,22,22)
Seated Wide Lat Pull Down 2 sets of 24 with 200# (bowflex)
Narrow Pull Down 2 sets of 24 with 240# (bowflex)
Reverse Grip pulldown 2 sets of 24 with 250# (bowflex) (increased 1 rep for each set)
Crossover Seated Rear Deltoid Row 3 sets (29,29,29) with 410# (bowflex) (+2 reps total)
Seated Lat Row 3 sets (29,29,28) with 410# (bowflex)
Bent Over 1 arm Row 4 sets of 100# (left) 16,14,14,14 & 3 sets of 100# (right) 24,21,20 (+3 reps total)
Standing Lat Fly 2 sets of 26 with 350# (bowflex)
Preacher Curl 2 sets of 90# ez curl bar(23,23)
Lying Cable Curl 4 sets with 260#(bowflex) 18,16,16,16 (increased weight by 10#)
Hammer Curl 1 set of 180# (bowflex) (24) (increased weight 20#)
Reverse Cable Curl 2 sets of 24 with 1760# (bowflex)(increased weight 10#)
Reverse barbell Curl 2 sets of 18 with 55# with ez curl bar
Standing Wrist Extension 3 sets of 28 with 190# (as superset with wrist curl)(increased weight 10#)
Standing Wrist Curl 3 sets of 28 with 190# (as superset with wrist extension)(increased weight 10#)
Forearm Flexion 2 sets of 14-16 using 60# dumbbells
Wrist Roller 2 sets using 30#
Good Morning 2 sets of 30 using 410# (bowflex) (+1 rep/set)
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# 100 Old 02-26-2010

Yesterday, Day 11 - 2/25/2010:

A cardio-intensive day. Did the 10K run on the Octane (level 6) in 42:44... Peak heart rate hit 180 bpm, average for the run was 162.

Followed up with some Abs/Core work with a stability ball.
  1. Crunches: [supine 25, right side 25, left side 25] x 5
  2. Squats with 25 lb weight in each hand: 20 x 5
  3. Plank holds: 60 seconds x 5
  4. Balance Pushups: 20 x 5
  5. Bridge Hamstring Curl: 20 x 5
  6. Knee Tuck: 20 x 5

I definitely felt the effects of the letro yesterday evening, because I essentially was getting what could be described as hot flashes. I'm hoping that with a very low dose, I can prevent an overabundance of E production (especially considering what my T levels are), but still have enough E available to prevent joint pain and dryness. Total E suppression is not a good thing for many different organ systems, including cardiovascular health.

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