Very informative log!! Thank you!

i am trying to keep it as informed as possible, as it is my first ph run i think it will be a good point of referance for myself in the future and for others in the same boat.

i would value your opinion on my decsion to start 1t for the extra kick in place of dermacrine for the last 2 weeks.

I don't think it would hurt, but it wouldn't help you a whole lot either. Dermacrine and 1-T are very similar except for 1-T's addition of 1-DHEA(androsterone). What would happen is your skin would convert the DHEA to the same anabolic hormones it's been converting to with Dermacrine; so you wouldn't notice a huge difference there; but it would take about 1-2weeks before you started to notice any strength gains from the 1-DHEA(androsterone) that's in 1-T.

Some products stack well together, but not these two; I'd save the 1-T for a later cycle.

is the main problem the fact that i would only be running it for 2 weeks and if so could i extend cycle by a further week

Well, here's what I'm saying: Unless you have been using Sustain Alpha while on cycle, or hCG on cycle; then you don't wanna go more than 6 weeks.
I'm not saying that if you run a cycle for 7 or 8 weeks you'll be screwed, but the probability of having problems is higher. I also just don't think you'll be pleased with adding 1-T to a Dermacrine cycle, and especially this late in the cycle.

as i have stated before i am open to advice, this is my first cycle and maybe i am over thinking it now. i think your advice is the way to go.
i will keep running dermacine as a solo and keep my 1t for my next run.
thank you for taking the time to help

friday 23 july

day 26

first things first,thankyou to the warrior who has helped to keep me from over reaching and going on 1t. i will now stay on dermacrine for the full 6 weeks,my 1t can sit on my self untill next time.

it may be worth noting the mistake i almost made. i am on my first ph run and it could not be better so i fell in the trap of looking to add more powerful compounds instead of sticking to my plan. i was trying to run and jump before i could walk.i think many others on a first run may also be tempted to act in such a manner, dont become a cautionary tale , stick to your gameplan and think of the journey as a marathon and not a sprint.

ok enough of my sermon..


mood.. leveled out completely no longer up and down, my body is now in sync with the product and feeling very good.


libido.. very good no drop off at all.


strength.. slow increase but by no means a huge jump , however i know dermacrine gives more intensity and better recovery so i dont view a lack of a huge strength increase as a problem. dermacrine will let you thrash yourself and get over it in a hurry.

body comp... up 3lbs on morning weigh in . this is pure lean gain as my bf has certainly dropped.


side effects.. better intensity ,great recovery, fluid feeling of power in the gym, increase of lean muscle and a drop in bodyfat (you see not all "sides" are bad ones)

Very Good Brohiem@@@

Just started reading your log. I was debating on trying dermacrine. I think I'll be giving it a shot. Going to have to wait a couple weeks as my work schedule is about to get seriously jacked and all I'll have time for is work, sleep and repeat. BUT I can buy a lot of PP products after that!

end of week 4

so i come to what was going to be my cycles end, thank god i have decided to extend to 6 weeks.

so what would my impression have been had this be the end of the run?
as a first PH dermacrine is a great option, its mild enough not to scare you to death ,but it still will give you that "on" feeling and give you a very real taste of this new world opening up to you.
one of the biggest concerns of any first cycle is side effects and in this dermacrine is very easy going. at the start of it i was sweating a whole lot more and my mood was a bit up and down for about a week , but these things level out very quickly and from there on its all good.

i have maintained throughout the first 4 weeks that my strength was not getting a huge kick, but i have added an average of 5lbs on all pbs and this is a maintained rise(not just the effects of one great day).so its true you will probably not feel like you can run through a wall its unfair of me to say that strength is not really affected as it clearly is.

the changes i have seen in my body have been to my mind fantastic. much leaner in the mirror but with a solid 3 lbs increase in weight and i am sure that over the next 2 weeks my weight will rise even more as i just feel myself getting bigger.

i am going to end this mini review by thanking PP for putting out such a great product, it does the heart good to find a company you can put some faith in and get results.when you look at the garbage heap that is the supplement industry from muscletech and their cell tech (one way ticket to diabetes )
even to a company like LG SCIENCE and their never ending changing of ingrediants on their products(i also am sure they have a warehouse full of yohimbe as it seems their mission to shove as much of it in their products no matter how sick it makes you feel )thank god for PP

QUICK UPDATE .. FROM NOW ON AND THROUGHOUT MY PCT I WILL BE RUNNING TOCO 8

I'm almost done with a Derm-LV cycle with AH at half dose (AH at full dose gives me headaches). My gains are very similar to yours. I've been using Toco-8 for 6-7 weeks now and I like it. I'm going to have some blood work done this fall so we'll see how the cholesterol levels look (Toco-8 is a daily supp. for me right now). I will say my Hair seems to look better/thicker since taking it! TCF-1, EndoAmp and SA will be my PCT.

Nice log!

i think the good thing about our cycles is that are gains are realistic and will not be such a shock to our bodys, so i think keeping them will be no worrys

Extending to 6 weeks was a good move. The agent you're using is smooth enough that recovery will not be a problem using PP's recovery stack.

Are you doing only weight-training at this point, or also cardio?

- Dan

to be honest my workouts have got so intense i have dropped the cardio for the duration of this cycle. i feel this way i can put the most effort into my weight training

friday 30 july


just about a week left on cycle and i got to admit that fact is bugging the heck out of me. i have felt so good during this run i just dont want it to end, and i allready have my gear for my next run (1 t)which i will start 4 weeks after i finish my pct.

bodyweight is up now 4lbs and to my mind i look pretty lean so i am very happy with that.
libido is still great no shutdown at all.
everything else, mood ,strength and intensity are still getting better so dermacrine keeps working and body keeps responding at the 5 week mark.

is it normal not to want your cycle to end?
is this a common problem which may make people stay on or at least be tempted to stay on to long?

is it normal not to want your cycle to end?
is this a common problem which may make people stay on or at least be tempted to stay on to long?

Yeah I believe it is normal. You are seing such a change in your body and feeling so good and making gains in the gym. Not to mention the recovery time. Who wouldn't want to feel like that all the time.

looking good ireland ,your log and profile pic have me sold, i am ordering two bottles of dermacrine today. going to run 5 pumps a day and enjoy the ride.
first class log, found it intresting and felt it covered more than just the usual list of numbers and weights.

nice of you to say so

Yes it is very common not to want to end a cycle. It is easy to get hooked on that feeling, especially when you make good progress. Just make sure you keep the momentum going and keep pushing yourself to new levels when you end the cycle.

robert